nothing special about his female characters
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kpoirier2 — 10 years ago(May 02, 2015 10:45 PM)
There is literally nothing special about them, really, but because he claims to be feminist and he tends to include a couple more female character than most writers, people misinterpret that as feminism. In fact, in light of his treatment of Black Widow in Age of Ultron, I'd say his writing actually falls into a LOT of sexist tropes.
really though, his idea of a "strong female character" is just the sort of woman he'd like to have sex with. -
Otkon — 10 years ago(May 04, 2015 02:31 PM)
Black Widow is NOT his character. These movies are franchises in which a dozen or more executives still have their hands in the process. He has had several shows and movies that have revolved around insanely feminist leads. He can't make every women in everything he damn well does into a Buffy-type character. Get off your high horse. Preferably head first.
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kpoirier2 — 10 years ago(May 05, 2015 11:14 PM)
I don't claim to know how much control he has over Black Widow, but I'm sure he has enough. Certainly enough so that that awful line about sterilization making you a monster wouldn't have slipped through had he not wanted it to. You're argument also loses a lot of weight when you consider just how good her writing and character development were in The Winter Soldier.
BtVS, I'll grant you, was pretty damn feminist- in the 90s. Things have changed since then, feminism especially. The bar is higher, but he's still stuck two decades back.
Feminist characters are no longer just characters that can hold their own in a fight, he fails to realize that. The problem with his female characters isn't that they all aren't Buffy, it's that they all ARE.da0
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fourthwall1-2 — 10 years ago(May 05, 2015 12:47 AM)
Uh. no. there have always been female characters that have gone toe to toe with men. Even in the 50s era with femme fatales. There are plenty of films well after that which utilized quality leading ladies.
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mtlddrms — 10 years ago(June 29, 2015 08:27 PM)
My theory is that his idea of strong women is that they know how to fight. But keeping them strong in the long run is where he would fall flat, and just ending up turning them into cliches and tropes eventually.
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ItsEddieHaskellBeyotch — 10 years ago(July 13, 2015 08:32 PM)
Cordelia and Faith are exceptions because they didn't fit his stereotypical outlook on female heroines. Also, I doubt he had much of a hand on their overall development once they moved on to Angel anyway.
When theres no more room in Hollywood, remakes shall walk the Earth. -
eimpson — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 01:05 AM)
"some kind of pariah for women"
Pariah: noun- a social outcast
What you have stated makes no sense. If anything, "champion", effectively the opposite of "pariah", would best reflect his public image. Or possibly "male feminist."
Unfortunately his brand of feminism is the lazy variety that pervades the media, regardless of which sex is creating it. The allegedly strong female lead characters that he writes only appear strong when compared to their ridiculously flawed (stupid, violent, sex-crazed, etc.) male rivals. This sort of pandering leads to the attitude among women of "I'm fine, no need to improve myself, it's the men who are the problem."
It's the perfect trap to keep women weak - stroke their egos by telling them they are perfect the way they are. No need to pursue self-improvement. Disney (whose purse Joss resides in) has it down to a formula by brainwashing girls to believe they are princesses at a very young age.
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drmokedweed123 — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 11:09 AM)
I just wish that whole feminism fad would die out and fast.
You know your movement is fighting to stay relevant when you have to put celebs on the spot by asking them a feminism related question and if they respond even in the slightest positive way you label them a feminist.
The question he got asked would mostly make people roll their eyes. But since he was a celebrity and his career revolves on being liked, which means jumping on whatever bandwagon has the majority opinion they have to respond favorably. -
drmokedweed123 — 9 years ago(January 24, 2017 09:19 PM)
So we need feminism because people disagree with feminism?
Go on, apply that logic to anything else. Then you'll quickly see how moronic that is. But then again, feminists are known for having the logic of a 5 year old.
Hey guys, we need nazism because no one agrees with it. See? That's essentially the logic you have.
Feminism is obsolete in America. There's not one right men have that women do not. At this point we can only assume they want favoritism and special treatment and not equality.
Ironically it'll end up biting women in the ass big time. Remember when women got a taste of 'equality' that didn't benefit them? It was the law making women draftable. Needless to say tons of women complained, some even laughably said "This isn't what I meant by equality" It was epic and priceless. Feminism has already started having negative impacts on women, which tends to happen when your goal has been achieved decades ago.
To date not a single feminist has been able to answer this one, simple question without either being flat out wrong or going off topic. That question is: What rights do men have that women do not? -
preachcaleb — 9 years ago(January 25, 2017 05:56 AM)
So we need feminism because people disagree with feminism?
Exactly. Because there are people who still seem to think women fighting for equality is an annoyance.
At this point we can only assume they want favoritism and special treatment and not equality.
No. It only feels like that because men have been dominating them for centuries. Naturally any upward movement would feel like favoritism to them.
That question is: What rights do men have that women do not?
That's the same question whites would ask blacks during segregation. Now that's priceless.
Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.