Don't understand the dislike for Turnabout Intruder
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kerryedavis — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 03:45 PM)
Similar to something like The Odd Man Hypothesis from the original Andromeda Strain movie (not the dreadful TV miniseries remake) it's not inconceivable that future research might find some quantifiable reason why females are not suitable for starship command, especially in earlier riskier times such as shown in much of TOS.
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jxh13 — 9 years ago(October 18, 2016 03:03 AM)
It's been a while, but my memory of the Odd Man Hypothesis from
Andromeda
is that it was invented to convince the government to let them have a nuclear weapon to cleanse a breakout event - in other words, it was a convincing lie. -
kerryedavis — 9 years ago(October 18, 2016 02:20 PM)
Maybe that was in the book, it's been a long time since I read it and I don't remember either way. But that was definitely not part of the movie.
It seems more likely that Robertson was doing research for the government on who should be making nuclear decisions in all sorts of situations, and for the Wildfire situation it meant that Hall should be the one "in charge." -
kerryedavis — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 03:38 AM)
The biggest single problem with both the book and the movie is that, according to the information given, Andromeda would not have killed the mice and monkeys used in their testing. The normal blood pH of mice and monkeys is outside of the range that Andromeda was said to grow in.
Which raises the question, how did Crichton make that mistake? He seemed too smart for that. -
jxh13 — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 05:59 AM)
Which raises the question, how did Crichton make that mistake? He seemed too smart for that.
Yeah, smart and experienced. I remember reading somewhere that he based
Andromeda
on Arthur Conan Doyle's
The Poison Belt,
and perhaps Crichton was inspired to let medical facts slide in the interest of what he saw as dramatic tension, which is something Dr Doyle was certainly capable. of. -
ben-thayer — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 06:41 AM)
Speaking of female anatomy
In one episode of Farscape, Crichton and Aeryn Sun's minds switch bodies. There's a scene with Crichton looking in the mirror, reveling in the fact that he has female parts, saying something like "this is every teenage boy's dream"
The wife and I were highly amused
Oh, just realized some were also discussing Michael Crichtoninteresting coincidence! -
grizzledgeezer — 9 years ago(October 18, 2016 03:05 PM)
it's not inconceivable that future research might find some quantifiable reason why females are not suitable for starship command
People vary so much that it's hard to believe there might be a single factor that disqualifies every member of a group from performing a particular job.
Things have changed so much in 50 years that the opposite error of reasoning has taken over that anyone can do anything, if they simply want it badly enough. -
BenjiCarver — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 10:30 AM)
Funny, I started a thread with a similar theme last week and it got deleted. Anyway, I came across this episode last week on BBC America and thought it was better than I remembered. Silly premise, but enjoyable and the acting was good. Sure Shatner was over the top but he looked he was really enjoying himself as "Dr. Lester."
This episode also gave us the "Let me show you my shocked face" meme.
I call woo woo on you, -
Blueghost — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 11:04 AM)
It lacks the production values of the previous two seasons, and is even sparse for a third season episode. But I still think it's decent enough.
I'm just sorry Star Trek could not have ended with a proper "finale" episode, and just stopped being after this one.
A lot of the comments in years past seem to put down Shatner's performance. But to me he's playing the part of a "femme-fatale", and does a pretty good job of it. It's what actors do. I think the chief complaint among Cpt. Kirk fans is that he's "a woman" in this episode, for lack of a better term.
It's science fiction. And I don't see why this episode gets singled out like Spock's Brain. Spock's Brain truly was hokey because of the neurosurgery of putting Spock's brain back into Spock, among other elements. But like Turnabout Intruder it has redeeming elements in it. Neither is a favorite of mine, but it's decent TV. -
TMC-4 — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 02:52 PM)
http://rowdyc.com/tv-trash-turnabout-intruder/
http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/s079.php
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/turnabout-intruder.283209/ -
rcocean3 — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 05:31 PM)
I like the episode. The SJW's don't like it because it doesn't fit their their party line view of how women should be shown on TV.
You see every TV show should "push the narrative" otherwise its raciss/sexist/bigoted/homophobic/blah de blah.
The only real thing wrong with the episode is that Shatner hams it up too often.
Yeah, we get it Bill, you're playing a somewhat psychotic woman.
But you have to give him points for doing the role. How many leading men would've played a woman? Can you imagine Lee Marvin or Charles Bronson in the role? -
rcocean3 — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 06:11 PM)
Curious, I refreshed my memory but re-watching the episode. The acting is very good, especially Smith as Lester-Kirk, and Scotty has a great moment when Doohan shows he could have done more on the show -actor-wise.
Even Shatner is good. He does go over the top, especially when he has to show just through body movements that he's being transferred in or out of Lester's body. But his ability to portray a hysterical woman trying to be "Captain kirk" is quite good.