Was the mother wrong to disown him after his emotional outburst
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Born on the Fourth of July
Londonlad2001221 — 14 years ago(November 17, 2011 08:44 PM)
I felt she was more worried about upsetting god then to see the effects of a war on her son, I mean he was paralysed and as the film shows to lose the ability to have children effected him a great deal and I for one I wouldn't like to go through, but his mother seem more worried of the drinking and late nights or what neighbours thought then the actual problems Ron was suffering. His outburst was clearly the result of closed and built up emotions that clearly had to come out and he was crying out for help and his family didn't seem to want to help apart from his father.
I think the scene was very emotional and very well played by the cast.. But did Ron ever reunite with his family again as after as the movie doesn't tell much about them after the fight with his mother -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(December 30, 2011 11:53 AM)
Why shouldn't she be more worried about upsetting god? Remember, for religious people God is supposed to be more than anything else in their lives, right? I think she just put the christian values of her family above her son.
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Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 26, 2012 10:53 PM)
What makes YOU the biggest idiot is believing that everyone else must abide by your standards, beliefs, etc. You lack enlightenment if you think your way of life should be the standard for everyone else. You must be american to think in such an ignorant way.
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flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 26, 2012 11:05 PM)
What's ignorant is assuming I'm American when I can assure you I'm not.
People such as yourself who use words like "enlightenment" are exactly what this movie is protesting. Outdated conservative values. I think society has come to a point where we should be able to reflect on our beliefs and stop being spoon fed ideas and beliefs from others Because I assure you, had your parents not just told you that Christianity is the only right thing, and you actually did some searching for yourself, you would realize how outrageous it is.
"Blind men in the market buying what we're sold". I'm sorry your life's been wasted on an outdated belief system.
I could give less off a sh*t if anyone believes what I believe but they should believe in what they find themselves, and not what a bunch of cult members (Yes, organized religion is by definition a cult) tell them.
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 26, 2012 11:14 PM)
There's literally not one single reason for anyone to believe in what you are telling them. You think religion is a cult and bla bla? No one cares. That's the point. You believe it, christians don't. They don't act based on your logic, your standards, your beliefs, your way of life. People like you who want to impose their views on other people are on a whole different level of ignorance. BTW, I am NOT a christian, but I'm ENLIGHTENED enough to know that I'm no one to tell anyone how to live their lives, especially when they are not affecting other people's lives. A family's beliefs and traditions are their own, not yours or mine to change. Christians truly believe 100% there is a God, and they abide by His rules. You are no one to tell them otherwise. I hate dumb people like you who think their dumb beliefs should be forced into everyone else.
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flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 26, 2012 11:58 PM)
It's funny because you seem to think you aren't imposing your opinions on anyone when you started this whole thing by accusing someone who had an opinion different from yours of being "an ashole", so I don't know why you feel you get some sort of special say in telling people how to conduct themselves Actually, I do know why. It's because you believe YOU are right and others are wrong.
Ironic isn't it? If you want to be a hypocrite, so be it, but don't be surprised when you come off as an ashole yourself.
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 12:45 AM)
Oh, excuse me young lady, but when your belief is that everyone else should live the way YOU live, then you are not someone to take seriously or even to treat with respect. The difference between the view I'm "imposing" and yours, is that my view expresses respect for different cultures, whereas you are trying to force people into believing in what you believe in.
By your logic, we should end with all of world's diversity. Why have different cultures, religions or custom in the world at all? Let's all just live by your standards, because of course, your views on life are superior, non-negotiable, factual and other nonsense like that. How freakin' dumb. You should go to a "tolerance, equality and diversity" seminar or something, so that they can bitch slap you out of your dumb intolerant ways.
I'm a hypocrite because I want you to respect human beings with different views than yours? Well, I'd rather be that than an uneducated ignorant such as you. -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 11:54 AM)
I like to take people out of their mistakes. If you don't like discussions maybe imdb is just not the place for you. Oh wait, after seeing your ignore list, I just realized you just don't like arguments. You love people who agree with you. You have half of imdb on your ignore list. I think you are the one who should take a time off IMDB.
I'll put you on ignore, just because it's the same thing you love to do and I don't care about your opinion. This is your Ignore List btw (and you are the one telling me IMDB is not for me, for Christ's sake):
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flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 12:45 PM)
Your "argument" continues to be "I'm right and you're wrong" and for no reason. You're claiming I'm imposing my ideals on people when I'm not. All I've done is tell you not to impose yours on people you are literally saying "People can believe in whatever they want, but if they don't believe in what I believe they are wrong".
"I like to take people out of their mistakes". Well done! Aren't you a true altruist. Take your conservative values and shove them up your as*.
Also, what does his ignore list have anything at all to do with you arguing with people? What have you accomplished by publicizing his ignore list?
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 01:08 PM)
My argument is right because I respect other beliefs and cultures. Your argument is not only wrong, but absolutely dumb and retrogade because you want people to live the way you want them to live. Just because I respect other beliefs, that doesn't mean that I'll let you insult me, my beliefs, or other people's. There's a difference between respecting your belief and just plain letting you insult everyone who thinks different from you. And btw, a religion is not the exact same as a cult.
What I've accomplished is letting him know that his opinion on my way of using imdb is irrelevant, considering that he ignores everyone who disagrees with him. -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 01:55 PM)
Okay, maybe I need to take you out of certain misconceptions.
You called me an hypocrite because I called neko-neko-1 an asshle? Really? What belief of his is the one I'm disrespecting? The belief that a christian is a bitch for believing in her christian beliefs? Shouldn't I answer in the same disrespectful manner? Also, you want me to respect your opinion that people should live the way you live, think the way you think, use your standards and logic and whatnot?
For some reason you seem to believe that respecting other cultures involves letting people insult you, well, I'm sorry, but respecting other's opinions is not the same as letting people fck you. I'm sure we can find something in between and that is this: I respect people as long as they respect other people. I respect beliefs systems as long as they aren't harmful to others. As I said, I won't turn my other cheek because your belief is that I'm stupid. If your belief is that people should be atheists because you are, or that people should be democrats because you are, or that people should be whatever the hell you want them to be, then let me tell you this: eff you.
There are numerous examples of beliefs I can't respect, because they are harmful or disrespectful to others. One example is your own belief that christians are stupid because they believe in something you don't, another example is NAMBLA's belief that boys should be able to get "effed" by older men.
Now, where do I draw the line? As I said, if your belief system directly harms or disrepects other people's, then that's where most people say EFF YOU. -
flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 03:34 PM)
What the hell are you even talking about?
I ask you to quote me when I said "that people should live the way you live, think the way you think, use your standards and logic and whatnot?". Because I'm pretty sure I never said that.
Also what the hell does someone I've never heard of saying something completely irrelevant have to do with anything?
Are you mad because I called organized religion a cult? Because, by definition, that is exactly what it is, so I'm not sure what your argument is Is your argument with the dictionary?
Also, you keep saying that you respect other people's opinions, but you just compared my opinion to old men fuc*ing boys Why is that relevant at all?
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 06:52 PM)
I'm guessing you don't have any kind of analytical ability if you missed my point, so I'll try to level with you: I'm replying to your stupid argument that it's ironic that I'm being disrespectful with you people, just because I'm defending myself from your insults. That's why I explained to you that I can respect people's beliefs as long as they are not insulting or harmful. You keep telling me that it's ironic that I'm saying that I respect other beliefs, but I'm not respecting yours or the othe poster's, bla, bla, well, get this into your head: I don't respect you or the guy who call the mother a bitch, because you are not being respectful.
This right here is the problem:
"You think she was right to put some made up cult icon above her own son?
That makes you an idiot."
I don't care if you are an atheist. I'm an atheist myself, but when the other sshole called the mother a bitch for following her beliefs, and when you called me an idiot for telling the OP what the christian beliefs are, you simply lost my respect.
I respect beliefs, but if you insult me I'll insult you back, simple as that. My understanding that you believe people should think like you comes from what you said that a mother shouldn't put his son over a "made up cult icon". It may be made up to you, but not to a christian, so it is absolutely irrelevant what YOU think about God, as long as christians believe in him we should respect their customs.