Seals Vs SAS
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nakedsteve — 20 years ago(January 11, 2006 04:47 PM)
just wondering. I heard somewhere, that when Richard Marcinko set up seal team 6 there were only teams 1 and 2. he called the new one 6 so the KGB would drive itself nuts trying to find teams 3,4 and 5. anybody know if thats true.
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ipmorrison — 19 years ago(September 16, 2006 05:22 PM)
And how exactly did you come to that conclusion? I've never laughed so much in my life!!! The SEALS training is hard.i'll give them that, but not as hard as SAS training.no way in hell!
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thelastbattleship — 19 years ago(September 05, 2006 06:46 AM)
To correct you STMOK the real reason for the Blackhawk Disaster was Pilot Error. An SASR bloke I knew told me the pilot who died in the crash was a bit of an agressive flier. Did not speak highly of him at all.
The Supersonic flyby was copied from a counter-terrorism mission that occured in the Netherlands on June 11 1977: A pair of Royal Netherlands Air Force F-104 Fighter-Interceptors did a Mach 1 flyby over a train which held the hostages and terrorists just prior to the Dutch Marines BBE commando assault, which was successful. -
sjhaycroft — 19 years ago(February 15, 2007 07:22 PM)
SAS are world renowned. without a doubt the most elite fighting force, ive also heard that the SAS help trian delta but notto sure on how true that is. but yeh SAS definatly number 1. lets take for example the bravo two zero story, those SAS guys absolutely slaughtered a few hundred iraqis, notto mention the embassy job
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ipmorrison — 19 years ago(February 18, 2007 01:52 PM)
SBS don't use tanks you plank Delta can't do crap, plus they're "supposedly" extraction and anti-terrorism specialists. They have a different role to the SBS who's main role is maritime recon and demolition. Delta have never (as far as I am aware) ever had a successful hostage rescue mission
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ipmorrison — 19 years ago(February 18, 2007 01:56 PM)
Sorry, i'm not taking sides cuz I don't know, but I will say that not all info has internet linksperhaps try reading a book or two? Anyway, there are frequent references made about the SAS being, and I quote, "The World's Best"i've never heard anybody name another special forces unit that
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pq0101 — 19 years ago(February 19, 2007 06:40 PM)
LOL Ipmorisson claims to be an expert yet he doesn't even know that the SBS has been using tanks in Iraq. Ipmorisson, how do you feel about your sissified country laying down to muslim extremists who preach hate in the mosques? LOL, there's no england any more, chump. Furthermore, who are you in a position to say that one training is tougher than the other? You've not been through Delta or SAS selection. I would also certainly give Delta the edge because of technology and financial backing.
Just reference SAS and bravo two zero (poor mission planning) where they made a hash of things, and then the SBS retreating and leaving weapons into the hands of enemy insurgents. Of course Delta had to come in and fix the mistakes of limey brits. -
ipmorrison — 19 years ago(February 20, 2007 09:53 AM)
The SBS don't use tanksthey never have. (you should really do some research before you get yourself into a sticky situation) We don't lay down to extremistsin fact we're fighting a stronger fight than the USA is. Your country has always welcomed any loser in, whatever their situationkinda accounts for all the psychos, rednecks and nutters over there.
You're right, I haven't been through Delta or SAS selection, but a friend of my father is ex-SAS and I have a friend from college who is now a Royal Marine Commando. I work for the MoD alongside the RAF (and an RAF Regiment Flight), and have a personal interest in all aspects of the military, and have researched for years out of personal interesti'd say i'm better qualified to judge than most.
It shows how little you know about the SAS when you speak of financial backingthe SAS are allowed to use any equipment that they request, which is why they are often armed in a totally different manner to the rest of the British armed forces. I'm not saying that, individually, Delta aren't skilled, but that they are ill-organised. Operation Eagle Claw? Operation Gothic Serpent? The assault by Delta on Richmond Hill prison in Grenada? etc. etc.
Some of those are such big cock-ups that it makes me wonder how Delta are classified as 'elite'
Leroy Thompson (an American expert on the world's special forces) dedicated a chapter in his book, "The Rescuers" to the top hostage rescue units in the world. He awarded marks for: command and control, training, personnel, weapons and equipment, intelligence and versatility. The SAS were the only unit to be awarded top marks in the evaluation. 30 points. In descending order after the SAS were: GSG 9, GIGN, Australian SAS and Sayeret Matkal. The American units didn't even make the list in terms of hostage rescue ability (and I know that's just one role.)
If you have read all the material on Bravo Two Zero, you will know that the SAS commander and his second of Bravo Two Zero were actually in Colombia at the time on undercover operations against drugs cartels after being sent there by the government. Therefore the team did not have it's commanders in the field, and were under the command of Sergeant 'Andy McNab'. The mission, therefore, could not be properly planned Still, it's the only SAS-related
mess-up you can find, and it wasn't really their faultread up on the subject before mouthing off. (and not just Bravo Two Zeroalso The Shooting Gallery, The One That Got Away and Soldier FiveI believe there are other literary sources too.)
Delta have never 'fixed' anythingThe incident you speak of was a Taliban ambush. There was a single vehicle, which wouldn't have been a tank, because special forces don't use tanks. There is no evidence that the SBS were even involved, but the Royal Marines and Parachute Regiment were there. Only two men died, which is sad, but no disaster in military terms. Delta and the Rangers lost more men in Gothic Serpent
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pq0101 — 19 years ago(February 20, 2007 02:37 PM)
Let's see here, your father's friend was in the SAS (which he's probably lying about) and this somehow makes you an expert? LOL. England is a country of sissies, they aren't even allowed to wave their own flags in the streets becuase they are scared of the muslims. Extremists are openly preaching hate in the mosques there, yet everyone refuses to do anything about it. Talk about a country full of wimps. Your country is so liberal and backwards that soon you'll be just another middle eastern country located in the "west." Enjoy it. SAS/SBS have a long history of messups and killing each other. (I.e. Falklands). With such weak support for troops in England and liberalism taking such a strong in that "country", I highly doubt the SAS recieves adaquete funding. UKSF is extremely small as well. Hell, the UK is about the size of Florida.
bottom line:
Delta > SAS
SEAL Teams >>>SBS
USMC Force Recon >>SBS
PJ/CCT >>>>>> UK PARA
160th SOAR (Night Stalkers) >>> Do you even have a S.O. heli regiment? Doubt it
USMC > your entire basic infantry
Plus Rangers, Army SF (Green Berets) and a lot of other specialized units. Your military is simply too small. Few join up because they hate their own country and anything to do with patriotism. Enjoy.