Main question: Did Hook die?
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norman891 — 14 years ago(February 12, 2012 08:13 PM)
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Agree with you completely. I also didn't like the way Hook was humiliated (the de-wigging) and ganged up on at the end (lost boys with clocks). It makes it look like Peter can't win without outside help(?). I thought the movie should have focused more on Hook's character than Peter finding his happy thought again it was, after all, titled "Hook".
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CaptCrochet — 14 years ago(February 14, 2012 05:42 AM)
It makes it look like Peter can't win without outside help(?).
When Peter provokes Captain Hook, pirates jump to attack Peter.
Peter tries to fly and Captain Hook use a fish net to bring Peter on the deck.
Some promotionnal illustrations show Peter with a chain ball, maybe a deleted scene or an alternative of the fish net.
So Captain Hook can't win without outside help too.
I also didn't like the way Hook was humiliated (the de-wigging) and ganged up on at the end (lost boys with clocks).
All pirates follow Hook by fear and terror. Lost boys follow Peter by friendship.
In the final, Captain Hook is alone. All pirates left the pirate town or they are captured. Even Smee left the Jolly Roger with a part of the treasure of Hook (an other deleted scene).
Hook humiliated Peter too. When Smee broke the Peter's shirt to see the scar and when he forced him to climb the mast. For me this is a humiliation too.
Captain Hook is an old man. The "de wigging" is a surprise for lost boys and Peter.
They see how he is older than it seems. In the comic book, he broke his hook in the fight.
He lost all his magnificence of his first scene, he lost the fight.
I didn't like Hook's death also I hated Hook's final line
Like I said previously, Captain Hook don't die. Just a deleted scene
A lot of answers of your questions are in deleted scenes. You need to read the Terry Brook's book and the comic book. The script too but it It is less easy to find.
Hook is considered like one of the worst movie of Spielberg (not really but the press love to say that (and all close minded people) so no chance to see an extented version or more extras about the movie. -
norman891 — 14 years ago(February 18, 2012 01:04 PM)
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And, if I'm not mistaken, Hook waves them off or am I getting my vesrions mixed up? It's been a while since I watched this, though it was just on the other week.
<I see nothing wrong with that. If they're going to fight, fairly, Peter should not be able to fly out of harms way and be earthbound like Hook is. Flying away makes Peter a coward in my book.
<That's an assumption, though all the pirates do fear Hook's wrath. Again, you assume the Lost Boys follow Peter out of friendship. According to Barrie, literary Peter was as ruthless a leader as Hook, including killing off lost boys who showed signs of growing up or if there were too many of them for his liking.
<Actually, Smee leaving with the treasure is in the version I've seen. And it's just hard for me to buy fierce pirates being besting by egg throwing, tomatoe hurling boys. I've always felt was Smee was a bigger danger to Hook than the croc ever was.
<Hardly on the same level, Smee is trying to prove Peter's identity. Peter de-wigging Hook was unnecessary humiliation of an adversary, and dare I say, "bad form."
<I have read the Terry Brooks novelization, though I never knew about a comic book version. The Brook's book followed the script very closely with only a few variances. I don't count deleted scenes that weren't filmed or kept to be included on the DVD as a bonus. Too much was left in that had little to do with the Hook/Pan story IMO. Too many multiple "endings" where the story continued on so Peter can finally "kill" Hook - supposedly. And, as neither Spielberg, Williams, nor Hoffman will discuss the film on any interview I've seen or read, I guess we havewn't much chance for a director's cut or an anniversary re-release DVD w/bonus deleted scenes. Though it would be a nice suprise.
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jajceboy — 14 years ago(February 24, 2012 04:00 PM)
Maybe the crock wasn't dead? Hook maybe just stuffed him alive or something, and when he fell down he came alive and swallowed his nemesis?
And maybe Hook wasn't swallowed at all, maybe he hid somewhere inside the crocodile's body?
or maybe he managed to escape somewhere?
Honestly, I think you're reading and over analysing way to much. It's a fantasy film about magic. Logic and realism comes in second hand, adventure comes first.
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norman891 — 14 years ago(February 25, 2012 05:09 PM)
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Good point. And a realistic possibility at that. Though I still want an explanation to a dead stuffed hide belching after Hook disappears inside it.
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nickgrossman83 — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 07:51 PM)
Hey guys, if your desperate to over analyse this 'death' scene then ponder over this.
As Hook swings his hook at peter while he's trying to un-holster his sword Tink intercepts the swing. As peter grabs the hook and sinks it into the crocodiles belly Tink flies upwards, suppose some of her fairy dust lands on the crocodile momentarily imbuing it with life.
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norman891 — 14 years ago(February 25, 2012 05:07 PM)
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Well there's just one problem. Hook himself says, during his grand entrance & speech to his crew: "And who killed that cunning crocodile? Who had him stuffed (taxidermied)and turned into a quiet clock?"
So the croc was dead, skinned and the hide stretched over a frame.
<When it violates the 'plausible impossible', its fair game. And something dead cannot come back to life of its own volition otherwise Rufio should've been able to come back to life & Pan wouldn't have been going on about "you killed Rufio, you deserve to die" to Hook (wonder if anyone else ever considers what Rufio would've done to Hook, given the chance?).
"He who made kittens put snakes in the grass." Jethro Tull -
nagorskimb — 13 years ago(April 16, 2012 11:54 PM)
The point of the movie is that if you believe something with all your heart, it can and will happen.
Once Peter accepted that he was Peter Pan, and he found a truly happy thought, he could finally face Hook.
Perhaps in that brief instant Hook believed the crocodile would eat him. It's certainly hinted at that he hasn't beaten his fear of the croc.
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norman891 — 13 years ago(April 21, 2012 04:48 PM)
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An interesting and original theory, I'll give you that. BUT if that's the case, why could everyone just wish & hope Rufio back to life?
<Perhaps, but I still find it highly implausible for an hollow, tanned hide to "eat" anything or anyone, let alone belch afterwards. To me, and this just my opinion mind you, it was a cop-out way to get rid of Hook. It's like Spielberg couldn't figure out a really good way to dispose of or neutralize Hook so its back to the old "croc swallows him" thing.
I'm not saying your theory isn't 'possible', its just awfully hard to sell me on it as Hook states that he killed and stuffed (taxidermied) the crocodile; implausible, in other words. Clever theory though.
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halibut-3 — 13 years ago(May 24, 2012 04:28 PM)
If you look closely at the scene when the Croc lands on Hook, there is a lot of dust that suddenly appears. It is possible that because Hook is so old (you do not age in Neverland) that when he was squished and finally passed away, his body lost the immortal properties that Neverland grants you and he turned to dust and ash, much like a corpse would already be if it was as old as him.
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jdkraus — 13 years ago(August 03, 2012 07:05 PM)
I wondered the same thing. If the filmmakers wanted to kill of Hook, they would have shown his death as clear as Rufio's. The more I think about it though, the more I realize that Hook's "disappearance" is purely meant for the viewer to speculate of his fate. After all, "what would a world be like without captain hook?"
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toking65000 — 13 years ago(August 04, 2012 06:48 PM)
I think, like I said, it just follows in the tradition of most all the Pan movies, it's always kinda left ambiguous whether Hook is dead or not.
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Darwinskid — 13 years ago(October 25, 2012 06:48 PM)
Captain Hook did indeed die, the crocodile, with whatever life was left in him, swallowed him whole and didn't chew or spit him out. I honestly don't see why people are even questioning this, there isn't anything else in the rest of the movie to suggest he is still alive and escaped. I do however think, despite the fact that it's visually interesting on paper, that it was a lame way to kill off the character though. Sounds like something somebody would write last minute.
Doh!