Employers can deny birth control for women: religious grounds
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Soul_Venom β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 09:35 PM)
Exactly. So if you find it so hard to change what you believe then who are you to place that burden on others. How you feel about their beliefs personally is irrelevant. You wouldn't put up with such a demand and neither will they.
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β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 06:37 PM)They donβt understand that Birth control is also used to alleviate excruciatingly painful periods. Now this decision allows employers to restrict access to them for women who canβt afford to buy it on their own.
This is what happens when old , Ignorant men run your entire government.
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Lilith β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 08:19 PM)
It isn't just old, ignorant men. It's religious zealots of all ages. It takes both men and willing women to maintain the production of children:
When in doubt, look at the Quiverfull movement. The Christian movement is about having as many children as young as possible, regardless if you can provide for them, but the point is to start as young as possible, pop out lots of babies, no birth control. "God is your birth control will only give you as many children as you can handle." This is a very short video, but there are longer documentaries on it if you check it out. Also look into Quakers, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, etc.
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β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 08:36 PM)It canβt become Law and effect my healthcare protections until government officials make it law. And the government is predominantly older, conservative, religious , white men who know nothing of womenβs reproductive health. And this is evidenced by widespread lack of understanding of the various utilities of birth control drugs
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I stand by what I said .
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Lilith β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 08:53 PM)
Obamacare didn't cover birth control. You know that, right?
This was just a matter of upholding what Obamacare put in place.
Private companies are going to be able to make their own decisions on what insurance providers they align themselves with. If you work for a company that (a) isn't run by religious zealots, or (b) is willing to offer, among its options, a company that does cover it, you'll be fine.
One potential "problem" I guess (?) would be if company premiums would be lower for a carrier that doesn't cover birth control, that would be an incentive for a workplace to go with a cheaper insurance and the lack of BC coverage is collateral damage.
It's also a matter of remembering we're talking about
employers
making this decision, and
their
religious practices, and
their
choices of opting out of covering BC for their female employees.
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β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 08:55 PM)Companies shouldnβt be discriminating based on their religious beliefs or βmoralsβ that have nothing to do with womenβs reproductive health. What about this is hard to grasp?
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Lilith β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 09:04 PM)
I agree with you! I'm livid with this decision. I've made several posts about how I find this appalling. What about that is so hard to grasp?
This tends to happen when I simply post articles that I find on the newsfeed, it doesn't mean I'm agreeing with them, it simply means I am posting them, and I am open to discussion.
I find it unethical that a company can be "protected" under "religious freedom" to project the company owners personal religious feelings onto all of their employees and thereby affect their individual health care. I don't think that's relevant to the work the employee does.
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Soul_Venom β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 09:14 PM)
allows employers to restrict access
No. It just says we can't force the employer to pay for it. They are still as free as they were before Obamacare.
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β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 09:17 PM)Itβs discriminatory based on religious belief no matter what lipstick on a pig semantics you want to add to make a restriction sound like itβs fair.
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Soul_Venom β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 09:24 PM)
So either discriminate against one group or discriminate against another. Except Religion has Consitutional protection and healthcare does not. Employment is a choice. Belief is a choice. If you don't like what your employer is doing, get a different job. Changing a belief is not so easy.
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β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 09:28 PM)Except Religion has nothing to do with womenβs reproductive health. The two are in no way interconnected except in religious zealotsβ undying need to inject their ideology into every aspect of other peopleβs lives.
Iβm thinking you arenβt grown up enough for this conversation.
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Soul_Venom β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 09:42 PM)
You seem unable to connect how forcing one person to pay for the choices of another, choices they may disagree with, is a violation.
Lets say I was muslim and worked for you. Based on our convo thus far i assume you are atheist. If that is incorrect we are going to pretend it anyway for the purpose of the example. Lets say I come to you and demand that you buy me a prayer rug. True I could get a prayer rug elsewhere and true you don't believe as I do but I am demanding that you be the one to pay for it anyway.
Do you do it?
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Chase β 5 years ago(July 08, 2020 06:53 PM)
America - "Land of the free (-ish)"
If these companies are concerned that people are interfering with the wishes or Grand Plan of some Sky Mage, then they should stop covering male aids as well. If God wanted her pregnant, then it surely wanted his impotent ass to not procreate.
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