First time I've seen this, so many questions!
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raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:18 AM)
Well iBabble, besides Christianity, Islam is the only religion that believes in Jesus. However, unlike Christians, we believe Jesus to be a messenger of GOD and not divine. We also believe that he did not die on the cross and that GOD substituted him for another (believed to be Judas) to save him from being crucified. Like Christians we too believe in his second coming in the end days to defeat the antichrist.
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iBabble — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:39 AM)
Is this supposed to be in our life time? In Islam or Christianity? Some people believe he is here & I know there have been many 'theories' as to the identity of the antichrist! To be fair, historically, there have been a few contenders!
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marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:42 AM)
no iBabble, the end times are not here yet. Throughout history, people have speculated about the Anti Christ (Hitler, Nero etc)
However, it very much feels like the end times are getting closer, in our lifetime? I dont know -
Rumble_McSkirmish — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 01:56 PM)
Nothing's really gotten worse, just that in modern times we are exposed to more news about it. In times before violence happened all the time, and barring some huge disaster/tragedy, you wouldn't hear about it.
Now days all you have to do is turn your phone on and you'll hear what color socks some world leader wears on a Tuesday
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marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:47 AM)
if you have more questions and are confused, ask away, and I will give you a Christianity based answer from the Bible (not an Islamic based answer based on the Koran)
I personally, myself, think of Jesus as more a prophet
Doesnt really matter what you think. The truth is, he was God, not just a prophet. The truth, and what you personally believe, are 2 different things. -
iBabble — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:56 AM)
Doesnt really matter what you think. The truth is, he was God, not just a prophet. The truth, and what you personally believe, are 2 different things.
It does matter! Like it matters to those who believe the Quran or in nature or the Gods! It matters as each individual has their 'truth', as you have yours. You cannot give me absolute proof that Jesus is God? I am just trying to relate him to real life so I believe
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Rumble_McSkirmish — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 02:07 PM)
See, here's the problem iBabble. While it does matter, it doesn't to Marty because Marty is always right, he has to be right. This is why some of us are on his ignore list, because he was constantly being shut down for his, frankly, ignorant beliefs about his own religion. In many cases he's even stated the exact opposite of what is written and when cornered either runs from the thread for a month or two and comes back to ignore the question when he thinks everyone has forgotten, places people on ignore, or spins backflips that would earn him a gold medal in the Olympics.
Marty is what is dubbed a bad Christian. He states things that simply aren't backed up by scripture, demands he's right, and proceeds to be a huge ass hole about it in the name of saving people by pushing them away. Marty is the cancer that is killing his religion
there is only 1 God.
Yet in Genesis god refers to "us" as in speaking to other gods.
And Jesus is not god, he is the son of and worked through his father's power. Never once did he claim to be the god. It's just you loony tunes evangicals that worship jesus like he was a god. Jesus just said he was the path to god, i.e. the example to be and follow to get to heaven. Hence why he spent so much time doing rather than preaching, he was teaching people how to live
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raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 08:04 AM)
It does matter! Like it matters to those who believe the Quran or in nature or the Gods! It matters as each individual has their 'truth', as you have yours. You cannot give me absolute proof that Jesus is God? I am just trying to relate him to real life so I believe
As I said, I respect all faith in whom or what ever! It all matters!
For you iBabble
http://islamicsunrays.com/had-allah-willed-he-would-have-made-you-one-ummah/ -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 09:26 AM)
You cannot give me absolute proof that Jesus is God?
Not even the Bible can provide absolute proof of that. In fact, it supports just the opposite. Jesus makes many statements to the effect that he is not God in the gospels. The divinity of Jesus and the Trinity are man made constructs that had to be voted upon by men centuries after the fact. -
raif-1 — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 02:30 PM)
Mamu, perhaps most believers say like you ie "belief without evidence" but most believe with evidence in that they see and seem to perceive existence of GOD. Most will say the creation of the universe and the creation of the creatures and us humans are "good" enough proof of GOD's existence. Most just don't just believe but "believe with evidence" even though some may question those evidences.
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FirstBlood1982 — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 08:42 PM)
No, it doesn't.
https://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html
+++by His wounds we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5+++ -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 09:49 AM)
The apologist article may state this, but the Bible does not.
Looking at the text where Jesus and the NT authors indicate he is separate from God
Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.
John 14:28 My Father is greater than I.
John 20:17 I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 The head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Colossians 3:1 Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 3:21-22 Jesus Christ: who is on the the right hand of God.
How can God sit at the right hand of himself?
How can God forsake himself?
Why does God need a God?
How can God know things that God doesn't know?
How can God be greater than himself?
Why would God pray to himself?
And looking at John 10, Jesus actually clarifies what he meansthat God the Father grants Jesus the power to do these works, not that he is God himself.
John 10:25-38 "Jesus answered, I did tell you, but you do not believe.
The works I do in my Fathers name testify about me
, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Fathers hand. I and the Father are one.
Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them,
I have shown you many good works from the Father
. For which of these do you stone me?
We are not stoning you for any good work, they replied, but for blasphemy,
because you, a mere man, claim to be God.
Jesus answered them,
Is it not written in your Law, I have said you are gods ? If he called them gods, to whom the word of God cameand Scripture cannot be set aside what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, I am Gods Son? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.
He makes it very clear that to call men 'gods' is not blasphemy because God calls men that in the old Scriptures. Jesus then says since it is not blasphemy to call men gods, it is certainly not so for "God's son" to say so. Especially because God is revealing himself to the world through Jesus via the works Jesus is performing. The power of God resides in Jesus, so to see Jesus is to see God's handiwork and power.
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, I am Gods Son?
It's very clear. Jesus claims to be God's son in the Biblenot God. Big difference. That's why men had to vote on his divinity.
Cherry picking one innocuous verse out of context does not support that case. Especially when looking at the entirety of the passage and all the other verses that contradict that premise. -
Rumble_McSkirmish — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 01:49 PM)
its not appealing. You wont do it. Millions wont do it.
Because you can't force people to believe. And many people either never heard of him or require more evidence than a bunch of nitwits thumping their bibles around like they are the supreme authority on god and Christianity.much like you do.
Panzer vor!