If being gay/trans isn't a psychiatric illness, then what's "normal?"
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NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:57 PM)
Just to clarify, when I said that transgenders are different, I meant that homosexuality = orientation, transgender = gender. Two different things, though in some ways related.
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tokyojapan-59350 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:05 PM)
Transgenderism was, until very recently considered a mental disorder by the Diagnostic Manual of the American Psychiatric Association.
The same for homosexuality since 1973.
I'm just asking the question if we aren't going to use group survival or reproduction of the species as a measuring stick of normal sexual behavior then what do we use?
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NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:10 PM)
How is reproduction a measuring stick of "normal sexual behavior" when blowjobs, masturbation, condoms, the use of birth control, pulling out, etc are all considered normal sexual behaviors?
You keep saying that's the "measuring stick", but it isn't and hasn't been ever.
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tokyojapan-59350 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:20 PM)
when blowjobs, masturbation, condoms, the use of birth control, pulling out, etc are all considered normal sexual behaviors?
These were considered "deviant"(sociological term) sex behaviors for HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES..
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NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 02:25 PM)
Yet they have nothing to do with reproduction. So clearly by your own standards they don't register on the "stick of normal sexual behavior".
Again if reproduction is the measuring stick for normal sexual BEHAVIOR, then all the things I listed above are abnormal (as you just said they are).
So it seems for some odd reason.. your test of normality really only applies to the behavior of homosexuals. Or at least, for some reason you're only concerned about that aspect of it. I kind of doubt you've ever been in a fierce debate with someone over the abnormal sexual behaviors between straight couples.
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CactusBraBurning — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 03:09 PM)
sex = biology
gender =social constructbrainwashing. "Feminine" and "masculine"
I wear pants..am I a transgender?
Trump wears make up, is he gay?
Do you actually 'like' what you like or are you told what to like?
You should judge people based on their inner beauty instead of whatever gender they present. Who gives a beep. I've met some awful so called 'socially normal' people in my life. -
GhostPepperHot — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 03:42 PM)
Normal? You are only normal to you. An individual cannot represent an average or a statistical mean of a population. A person is a whole, not a percentage of the "group."
That is what is wrong with people. They try to belong to a group and never know what they are to themselves. No wonder they are so easily misled to disaster.
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Darkramj — 9 years ago(February 16, 2017 07:47 AM)
First, the DSM is a guide to diagnosing/categorizing the nature of a problem someone has in their life. It's not a tool for determining who has what problem.
Second, a person's functionality determines whether or not they are in need of some form of corrective action in the closest thing to 'normal' that you're looking for.
https://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/Childservice/mrt/global_assessment_functioning.pdf
That's one typical reference, mental health professionals are trained to use discretion and observationnot checklists. If you are checking off symptoms in a book to see what people 'have' when they aren't suffering or reporting any dysfunction, you're doing it wrong.
If you can build and maintain healthy relationships, wash yourself, hold a job, etc. it doesn't matter if you believe that you're a werewolf. Normal in this context is determined by one's ability to manage their life in public and in private, not how they view themselves, others or their reality.
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TakeUpReel — 9 years ago(February 16, 2017 09:52 AM)
Homosexuality was on the APA'S Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorder list for DECADES until I think it was 1973, when it was taken off, supposedly under political pressure.
I'm not exactly sure of the reason that it was "taken off" the list, but I hope it was due to actual research into the subject and not because of political pressure.
At one time, we thought leeches and other forms of blood-letting were proper cures for various problems. Luckily, we don't think that anymore. At one time, mental illness was though to be demonic possession. Thankfully, we don't think that any more. My point is that it shouldn't matter what we thought in the past. We should constantly challenge our pre-conceived notions.
Homosexuals serve no reproductive purpose, nor do trans.
So what? Neither do heterosexual couples that are sterile, or elderly couples, or
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I'm not sure about your use of the word "normal", but homosexuality is "natural" by definition (since it is found is numerous species (in nature)not just "humans").
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