Film's subtle racism and stereotypes.
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Timescrew — 15 years ago(March 25, 2011 02:52 AM)
Its a rock band. They are English, I believe.
They are probably most famous for their song "creep" but they have some other really good songs too.
Ever hear of Me and This Army?
They are a rap group, and the like Radiohead too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIM3U47pVc
Although I wouldn't classify them as Emo I can say that Radiohead isn't necessarily for everyone.
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dalldorfw — 15 years ago(December 16, 2010 10:44 PM)
"It would be one thing if they showed her transform into a true monster, an emotionless, soulless killer who did so methodically and with a sense of purpose."
You might like 'Ms.45' It's a classic I tell ya.' -
Shenanyginz — 17 years ago(August 24, 2008 07:44 PM)
Janarky, I have to agree with you 100%
I will say however, the only thing stereotypical about the subway scene was the way the black men were dressed Black men in NEW YORK dont dress that way. But you can't tell me that if you were being robbed on a subway that its far fetched for the robbers to be black and for them NOT to listen to Radio Head
I'm Black (Nigerian like the black lady living in Erica's building)I liked this movie and the only thing I cringed at that I thought was maybe slightly stereotypical was the way the men on the subway were dressed Thats how New Yorkers dressed in like 2000/1999.
Another thing about the Subway scene that occurred to me. There was a clear distinction between good and bad within the black race There were the gang bangers who were black (and trust me they exists in New York) and then there the was black father who was courageous enough to tell those knuckle heads to leave the poor kid alone
I wouldn't say this movie was racist. But I do believe it represented NY colors very well. I mean black cops and lawyers, middle eastern/asian doctors, good white people, stupid white people, woman vigilantes,italian pawn shop owners, interracial relationships. I mean this is New York's diversity
Yes I'm from NY
RIP Heath Ledger (1979-2008)
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tmontyb — 18 years ago(February 10, 2008 02:31 PM)
I've lived in the East Village all my life and although, NYC is the safest big city in the US, I don't think characters portrayed were stereotypical at all. In fact, if they weren't portrayed they way they were, I would have thought it unrealistic. Of course, everyone is not the same. Most NY'ers are great folks, but there is bad element here too like everywhere else and the movie wanted to show the bad element. I'm not sure what the OP was expecting.
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ndatmo-1 — 18 years ago(February 10, 2008 02:54 PM)
I actually thought they did a fairly decent job of presenting an even-handed variety of ethnicities in both positive and negative lights.
Black detective/Black thugs/Black attorney/Black helpful concerned neighbor/Black prostitute.
White murderers and abusers/White victims/White witness/White cops and detectives.
Asian crime victim/Asian black market gun seller.
The same with Hispanic characters, medical personnel, bystanders, etc.
As tmontyb said, I'm not sure what the OP was expecting, either. And movies have pretty much always utilized stereotypes and broadly-drawn characters to get an idea across in a short amount of time.
I would agree if all of the bad/good lined up consistently along strictly racial lines, but I think they took some care to 'mix it up' in this case. And as a small point, the white middle-aged blonde blue-eyed professional woman was not a heroic figure at allshe was a psychologically ruined killer who was out of control and suicidal. -
venusebony — 18 years ago(February 10, 2008 09:06 PM)
I co sign with the OP this movie reeks of misandry and racism. Of course the men of colour are depicted as evil and white women are once again placed as victims in the film.It is interesting because white feminists scream and yell when white women are stereotyped in movies. Yet this movie is obviously anti male it is just plain disgusting and cannot be taken seriously.
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ndatmo-1 — 18 years ago(February 11, 2008 12:12 AM)
Would you apply your theory of alleged
misandry
and
racism
to the portrayals of Erica's East Indian fiance, David and the Black detective Mercer and Black neighbor who befriended her in her misery and desperation? Or do you only select the negative or violent characters of color whom you can force fit into your scheme of things?
Your blanket statement that
"Of course the men of colour are depicted as evil and white women are once again placed as victims in the film."
is easily refuted. There was only one white woman victim who later became the worst kind of perpetrator of unreasoned murder. As far as the male charactersI wonder if you have very selective memory or you just didn't see the film. -
rizzo_77 — 18 years ago(February 15, 2008 04:37 PM)
Mercer was the main good guy (outside of Jodie) and one of the few good cops (or at least the one of the few shown actually doing their job with some sort of zeal) and he was "of color."
I also notice that people don't want to piss and moan about the extremely negative view of police officers. I know you all probably think that it is cool and "in the right" to point out that cops are lazy, cruel and don't care like the receptionist in the precint. However, outside of the one or two you see on the news acting like jack-asses, these men and women put their life on the line to help us, and we throw them under the bus repeatedly to serve a story-line. I think that was far far more blantant and so much more negative than any racial undertones this movie protrayed.
And if you have a negative view of cops because one pulled you over going ten over the speed limit because (you think) he had to fill a quota, go whine somewhere else. I'm not interested. The only people who hate cops are those who break the law, and in-turn have multiple run-ins with them. -
babybyrd2000 — 18 years ago(February 15, 2008 08:52 PM)
Pray tell who usually assaults and rapes women they don't know.
It sure isn't women and it's disproportionately not white males.
White males get drunk and shoot their girlfriend.
Street rapists and muggers in cities are nearly always minority.
The stats don't lie.
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pgrimmus — 18 years ago(February 16, 2008 10:58 PM)
"There is nothing racist about this film. This is who commits most of the crime in large urban areas like it or not.
It ain't hillbillies..lol
It was refreshing, so unpolitically correct for a change. Someone fights back."
Refreshing? So this is the first time you've seen a movie with minorities committing crimes and someone fighting back? What country did you come from lol.
"Street rapists and muggers in cities are nearly always minority.
The stats don't lie."
Yeah and the fact that you said that sounds like you're racist. The stats don't lie.