The Jaguar Executive wasn't that gross. Joan has done worse.
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satterthm — 9 years ago(August 10, 2016 01:52 PM)
Very well said. I was thinking the same thing. I think people are forgetting the power dynamics and abuse of power involved in the arrangement. It's not so simple and I personally don't think it can be reduced to just "Joan's choice."
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windkirby — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 04:46 AM)
Your example is just not the same at all as what happened. No one told Joan that she absolutely wouldn't get partner if she didn't do the job because it was never a possibility otherwise
because she wasn't qualified to be partner.
This opened an opportunity for her she could not have gotten at a conventional route. Saying to Joan, "You'll get A if you do B" when she had no expectations for A beforehand is not the same as saying "You won't get A if you don't do B" to someone who thought they were going to get A. It was not at all like Joan couldn't have said "f it" without getting fired. She could have refused and continued working there under her previous position for just about as long as she wanted.
Now, yes, what happened to Joan
was
quid pro quo sexual harassment. But what she received she could not have gotten any other way, and there were no serious apparent consequences that would result from her refusal. Therefore, it's an offer unto itself, separated from her day-to-day job as it was and very different from your scenario.
I agree with your other points about their being further ramifications for a work environment as a whole, however, beyond how it affects one individual.
But ultimately I agree with TC. Ken lost an eye for his job, Peggy gave up her baby. This act is not singular in its terror; it is one of many unsavory aspects of the line of work depicted throughout the show. I can see it both waysJoan felt pressure and unrecognized at work, and she felt like if she didn't do something to get ahead she would have no way of getting the security she needed. On the other hand, it was indeed a choice. She was both compelled by her circumstances and acting of her own free will. The matter of choice is not always cut and dry when it comes to business and providing for one's family. It's a constant negotiation of incentives and sacrifices. -
Real_Ex_Kav — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 01:59 PM)
"I like puppies." - Don Draper
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SealedCargo — 6 years ago(October 25, 2019 11:46 AM)
we learn in the fur coat backstory that Joan is basically a hooker anyway, so what's the big deal?
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SealedCargo — 2 years ago(September 09, 2023 04:58 AM)
she was more of a madame, that's basically what that Baird guy said
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