Best Fighters according to George RR Martin
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uglyroommate — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 07:58 PM)
"Ser Arthur Dayne first (if he was alive, of course, Jaime Lannister (if he still had both his hands), and then Brienne of Tarth."
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 08:04 PM)
I think Oberyn would wreck Jaime. Also no love for Selmy? Doesn't Jaime even say Selmy is the best fighter he ever saw? Also, Robert in his prime is an X-factor. One hit from the hammer and you are toast, but if you dodge enough Robert would tire out. Lastly, Bronn is his dirty 1v1 skills is a ringer as well.
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otter — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 12:13 AM)
There's a BIG difference between winning a tournament and winning a battle, or a genuine fight to the death. Tournaments are limited to the upper classes! Tournaments have rules!
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mmirjam — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 07:23 AM)
Did GRRM mean for these 3 people to be winners of tournaments or battles?
When asked who from the Seven Kingdoms he would choose to represent him if it came down to
trial by combat
but he hesitated didn't say they are best fighters, just start choosing, Dayne first, Jaime is good, Brienne itd.
Also, Sean Bean has way more experience with swords than NCW, so that makes sense too.
Exactly but why did they hired low level skiled swordfighter for Jaime, and excelent Kit Harington for Jon? If Jon is average and Jaime is best? Don't get me wrong, Nikolaj is great actor, by why we didn't see any of Jaime's swordfighting supreme abilities? Not even once? Not even with stunt double?
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 07:32 AM)
I think Bronn could handle Brienne or Jaime in a 1v1 TBC format. It would be a coin toss if it happened 100 times. Selmy in his prime would destroy Jaime and Brienne 1v1 as well. I also think Oberyn would be better than both of them 1v1. Hell even Drogo because he is basically impossible to hit with a sword and he could probably take them down with his hands or something crazy. Drogo doesn't get enough respect. He killed a man by dodging all of his attacks and slicing the dudes throat WITH HIS OWN SWORD.
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Winter_King — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 07:50 AM)
George RR Martin is basing himself on the books. Book Jaime is legendary with a sword. Even after losing his hand, people are still scared of him.
Probably about as good as Barristan Selmy in his prime (Selmy calls Jaime the best natural gifted swordfighter of his generation) and arguably the best sword fighter at the start of the series
Jaime, who has tremendous respect for Arthur Dayne (he wanted to be like him)even thinks he could've been able to beat the Sword of the Morning.
We simply don't hear about Oberyn's exploits to know how good is he. It's greatest claim to fame is his fight against the Mountain where he spear to counter the Moutain's reach. Against a another swordfighter who is as agile and as fast as him, he might lose.
Dothraki fight unarmored against other unarmored fighters. They would have trouble defeating the average westerosi knight. Selmy at his old age mops the floor with a pit fighter 40 years younger just because his oponent is unable to pierce his armor.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 07:58 AM)
I'm not talking about a standard dothraki. Drogo is a killing machine and could dodge just about any slower moving armor wearing attack. Also, I think a big part about Jaime in the books in his reputation vs. reality. We always hear how amazing he is, but since the book is done in a POV format it could just be in their heads. He comes from a rich and powerful family, so people have an exaggerated idea of how good Jaime really is. Jaime is great but not excellent.
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Winter_King — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 08:24 AM)
I would argue that the same thing that happened to Jorah vs the bloodrider would be similar to what would've happened in a Jaime vs Khal Drogo. His quickness counts for nothing if his weapon can't pierce armor. Not to mention Jaime is also fast.
We always hear how amazing he is, but since the book is done in a POV format it could just be in their heads. He comes from a rich and powerful family, so people have an exaggerated idea of how good Jaime really is. Jaime is great but not excellent.
Let's see: He wins a tournament at 13.
At the age of 16, when he was a squire he crosses swords with the Smiling Knight, a guy with the reputation of the Mountain, and lives to tell the tale unlike many other famous knights that were killed by him. The Smiling Knight is killed by Arthur Dayne
Gets knighted on the battlefield by Arthur Dayne himself.
He becomes the youngest person to join the Kingsguard in a time that Kingsguard included some of the best fighters like Gerold Hightower, Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy.
When seeing that he's about to loose a battle, he rallies his bannerman and carves a path in an attempt to kill Robb Stark. He kills about ten men single handed and would've killed Robb if his sword didn't get stuck in a body.
Fights Brienne to an almost standstill in the books with his chained hands, without practice and weakened by a year of imprisionment. Brienne later admits that she would've lost if Jaime was at full strenght.
He gets praised as a swordfighter by Barristan Selmy who actually served with him.
And finally there are the words of the author himself. He thinks he could've beaten Aragorn. Jaime was written as prodigious sword fighter . He is among the best of the best.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 08:34 AM)
I should have said excellent not perfect. That's on me. Jaime wins tournaments and does a lot of great things, but people like Bronn would still have a chance. Is Bronn better than Jaime? No, but his fighting style is perfect for TBC.
I think Drogo would have immediately have dodge once his blade didn't work against the armor. Then he would have focked the person up by bringing them to the ground. All speculation of course, but I wouldn't worry if Drogo was against a knight in my TBC. -
Winter_King — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 08:44 AM)
That's on me. Jaime wins tournaments and does a lot of great things, but people like Bronn would still have a chance. Is Bronn better than Jaime?
I don't think Bronn is better than Jaime but I think Bronn would have a chance. Bronn says something similar regarding the Mountain. He thinks he could have a chance but one slip and it's over. Barristan says sometimes what you ate in the morning, a rock in the ground might be the diference between winning and losing a duel. That even the best knights might make a mistake against a weaker one.
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BlueWesteria — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 09:22 PM)
Jaime is great but not excellent.
GRRM said Jaime is, fully functioning, one of the great swordsmen in the history of Westeros. If you are one of the greats in the history of an entire continent doesn't that push you up to excellent?
source:
http://www.hypable.com/game-of-thrones-martin-vs-lord-of-the-rings-tolkien/
And Bri happened to think he was pretty amazing as well, "No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight!" -
Bardock1984 — 1 year ago(February 08, 2025 03:47 AM)
Oberyn was sick don't get me wrong, but try reading the books during the war of the five kings no one could stand before Jaime and win! One on one of course. Honestly at Jamie's peak the only warrior who could have beat him was Sir Arthur Dane. There was only three swordsman alive at that time that Jaime would say ever had a chance, Sir Barristan even as an old man, Sir Garlan or Great John Umber.
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Dvir971 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 12:25 PM)
Aha!
My thought exactly!
"ughhh terminator Brienne D&D hacks.."
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BlueWesteria — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 09:01 PM)
Too funny.
GRRM is the one who made Bri so nimble, so fast, so massive, so strong. Girlfriend can move a cow-sized boulder, is faster than can be believed, and her stamina is considered a gift from the gods. All things stated in the books. Don't get jelly boys. -
Marendil — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 09:06 PM)
GRRM is the one who made Bri so nimble, so fast, so massive, so strong. Girlfriend can move a cow-sized boulder, is faster than can be believed, and her stamina is considered a gift from the gods. All things stated in the books. Don't get jelly boys.
It looks to me like there's a distinct shortage of twelve year-old boys here to bully about this. Perhaps the wrestling forums would provide more fruitful hunting grounds?
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