Tyrion killing Tywin.
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ltholmes95-248-531085 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 02:50 PM)
I just saw a topic on here about Tyrion, and so many are saying how absurdly pointless it was for Tyrion killing Tywin. Why? Tyrion loved Shae, and he killed her and Tywin because she betrayed him and Tywin had sex with her to exert a self-absorbed dominance over a son he hated for a bullsh*t reason. Was it the smartest thing for Tyrion to do in the grand scheme of things? No. Was it justified, nonetheless? Absolutely.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 02:52 PM)
In what beep country do you live in where you are allowed to murder someone for sleeping with a girl
you broke up with
weeks prior?
And before you say it that's not or moral legal in Westeros either. There is nothing remotely justifiable about destabilizing an entire kingdom because your father beep a whore you had willingly broke up with.
He had reason to be mad at Shae over it. He had lots of reasons to be mad at Tywin. But the murder wasn't justified.
It was very much justified in the books.
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otter — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:01 PM)
He didn't kill Tywin for sleeping with Shae, the main reason was the because Tywin had banished his first wife Tysha, and was still calling her a "whore". That had cost Tyrion his one shot at real love.
Which wasn't justifiable, IMHO. Obviously Twyin was in the wrong there, but Westeros needed him to be its real ruler, so killing him did not serve justice or the greater good. Hell, Tyrion didn't even know if Tysha's life had been ruined, for all he knew she'd married a nice farmer or innkeeper and was happy enough. But Tyrion had just killed Shae to keep her from raising the alarm and getting him re-arrested, and that was the other reason he killed Tywin - keeping him quiet was the only way he could have gotten away at that point.
Not Tyrion's finest hour.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:23 PM)
That had cost Tyrion his one shot at real love.
This is no reason to kill a man. Tyrion's a piece of sh.t.
Long may she reign
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:35 PM)
Who says so?
Long may she reign
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ltholmes95-248-531085 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:44 PM)
You are! Let's think about it under the context we find ourselves in at this point in the series. Tyrion was about to escape to Essos. People say it was bad of Tyrion to kill Tywin, since he was the best advisor to the king of the Seven Kingdoms. But now Tyrion is advising Dany, who is invading Westeros under huge instability. This is extremely advantageous to him and Khaleesi, even though he didn't know of this at the time. Don't give me sht about him being stupid by killing the best King adviser in Westeros when Tyrion is ESCAPING WESTEROS for "presumably" forever. Why should he care about such bullsht like "not killing the best Hand of the King" Westeros has seen in a good while?
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otter — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 06:11 PM)
So what if killing his father turned out to be a good career move for Tyrion. If he hadn't done it, the Baratheon crown might have survived, with someone sane and competent in charge, and Dany might never have invaded Westeros without Tyrion to hold Mereen together during her absence.
I still say that Tyrion had no moral right to kill his father, no matter the end result.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 07:41 PM)
the main reason was the because Tywin had banished his first wife Tysha,
No, it was not. Nothing in the television show indicates this is the case.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 07:40 PM)
Bullsh!t. THere is almost NOTHING I haven't bitched about at this point.
BUT every other murder didn't lead to a lot of innocent death.
Do you deny that Tyrion knew what Cersei was?
Do you deny that Tyrion spend much of season 2 trying to keep her from having power because he knew what she was?
Do you deny that Tyrion knew losing her son would just make her crazier?
If not then you can't deny that murdering the ONE check on Cersei's power was deeply immoral and wrong.
Tywin was the only thing keeping Cersei from tyranny. Tyrion knew that. He removed him based on his own personal grudges. Kingdom beep be damned.
In the books, this is totally understandable. No human being can expect to just process what Tywin did to Tysha and Tyrion. It's evil beyond human comprehension.
In the show, he chose trial by combat, TYwin didn't plan to have him executed, he knew Shae had betrayed him long before (and that was Cersei's doing), he had long broken up with her and had no right to her staying sexually loyal to him.
He has every right to his anger but destroying the entire kingdom for it is completely unjustifiable in the show.
Yes, I think a murder that lead to Cersei murdering the TYrells and many others is worse than others. THat is something Tyrion could easily predict would happen. It wasn't out of his control. He knew who Cersei was.
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ltholmes95-248-531085 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:35 PM)
Again, I'm not saying it wasn't the best decision. I'm just saying that, narratively, it wasn't pointless and Tyrion had a personal reason for killing both Shae and Tywin. How about all you idiots understand my point before you act like beep about it.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:37 PM)
I don't recall anyone saying Tyrion killing Tywin was "pointless".
Long may she reign
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myselfandi — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:39 PM)
It wasn't pointless.
Tyrion was an abused child who committed patricide after being sent over the tipping edge at evidence that the father who had abused him all along had encouraged his lover to testify against him. In a murder trial btw in which said abused child would be sentenced to die.
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Rhaegal76 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 07:12 PM)
Exactly..I think it was completely justified. He'd been abused by his father his entire life. His father got the love of his life to testify against him. He was going to be found guilty of murder. Tywin SAID he wouldn't have him killed but I say that's BS. In Tyrion's eyes he would have been killed. Then he finds his love in his fathers bed. Too too much to deal with.
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Nightman_Trumpeth — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:45 PM)
Tyrion killing Tywin was justified in the books, not so much in the show. As usual, the show liked to keep the characters doing the same things they do in the books, but eliminate their motivations for absolutely no fooking reason.
