Cersei's reign
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ScorpionTDC — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 11:48 PM)
The people have hated Cersei since S2 and I say this as someone who wants Cersei to win.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 11:57 PM)
The people have hated Cersei since S2
They haven't. The starving have hated the well fed and the mob has hated their rulers as they always do, whoever they are.
The people are more than that, they include everyone with a property or an income who wants to live in peace and couldn't care less about those who would fight each other to sit on a throne. They'll want to keep the one they have, just like they wanted to have Joffrey after Robert rather than a bloody war.
Long may she reign
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 10:52 AM)
A ridiculous misconception.
Long may she reign
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 05:37 PM)
Under the war situation Ned Stark consciously caused, you mean. Remember, he was the actual bad guy of the story, the one who made a real mess of things under the impression of "doing the right thing".
Long may she reign
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 05:57 PM)
Joffrey executed a traitor. The war started when Ned decided it would, as he acknowledged to Littlefinger. He took a conscious decision.
Long may she reign
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 06:47 PM)
The war started when Robb called the banners. Ned took the decision that made it unavoidable by cornering the lioness. Joffrey started nothing, the ball was rolling already.
Long may she reign
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kvothe_snow — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 06:59 PM)
The war started after the beheading of Ned Stark. It was already brewing after Catelyn kidnapped Tyrion, and after Jaime injured Ned. Everyone was still trying avoid war even after those incidents, but it was the stupid-boy Joffrey who really started it. Even the likes of Cersei and Varys knew it as they begged and pleaded to Joffrey to "stop this madness." It's the fault of the lioness for bringing up a psychopathic cub.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:04 PM)
You're twisting things as you want them. War starts when armies march against each other, which is something Robb, Renly and Stannis ordered. They were the consequence of Ned accusing Joffrey of illegitimacy in public.
The local war Tywin started in the Riverlands was not escalating and therefore cannot be seen as part of the War of the Five Kings nor as a trigger to it.
Long may she reign
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kvothe_snow — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:29 PM)
Nah, Ned tried to honorably dismiss the immoral Lannister family from the throne. He did this peacefully, by asking Cersei politely. Ned underestimated the bitch's thirst for power. The inbred Joffrey even made things worse by acting compulsively. The war of the 5 kings was a direct consequence of Joffrey's beheading of Ned Stark. He made it all too easy for Littlefinger.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:52 PM)
He did this peacefully, by asking Cersei politely.
He told her to pack her things, her kids, her lion and run to the end of the world.
He set her on the street even though he knew winter was coming.
The man was a monster.
Long may she reign
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Marendil — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:38 PM)
The local war Tywin started in the Riverlands was not escalating and therefore cannot be seen as part of the War of the Five Kings nor as a trigger to it.
He thought he'd be dealing with Robert as King, he didn't realize he'd be dealing with Ned Stark who was more inclined to 'let justice be done though the heavens fall.' Robert would have forced Ned to back off, just like he did when Jaime challenged him and killed his household guard.
It was this sequence of events, the Mountain's assault and Ned's determination that he be brought to justice that escalated a family feud into open battle. Joffrey was the one who ensured it would be a war.
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:21 PM)
It's the fault of the lioness for bringing up a psychopathic cub.
We saw her doing her best but the boy lacked a proper father
Long may she reign
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ScorpionTDC — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 07:01 PM)
If Ned Stark was sent to the wall and Sansa/Arya were sent back to Winterfell, Robb would have lowered his banners. Varys says as much, and Cersei agreed (thus why she tried to keep Ned alive). That was unavoidable when Joffrey lopped his head off, though
