Ellis was a stalker, and was extremely creepy.
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xanxei — 10 years ago(March 20, 2016 12:44 PM)
Bull. beep
when you see a man proving his deep affection
Where do you get this idea that a man should "prove his deep affection"? The level of his affection is completely irrelevant if she wants nothing to do with him. Or let me put this in general terms, so hopefully you'll grasp it without being blinded by your skewed view of men/women dynamics:
If you offer someone something and they say no, the civilised thing to do is respect their decision, not override it because you think you know better than them what they should do with their life. Good intentions don't matter - you respect their choice. Because it's theirs. Even if it's the wrong one. Basic manners, dude. -
LuckyBeerCamper — 9 years ago(July 18, 2016 11:57 AM)
I don't entirely agree. People say no, when they really want to say yes, all the time. There is a balance. Using his position to get her address is over the line, nothing else he did was sketchy. She's giving signs that she is clearly interested, there is just a wall there. Sometimes it can be worth trying to break down that emotional wall.
Vera Farmiga is underrated!
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xanxei — 10 years ago(March 20, 2016 01:17 PM)
Well I hate it when people call others cold b!tches. See how that works?
Consider this, also: these cold b!tches are calling this one specific dude creepy for specific reasons (good ones). You just went ahead and called women (all of them) cold b!tches. Because you've probably behaved like this at some point and don't like it that it's apparently frowned upon. Well, sorry. You don't get to will/bully/badger/annoy/blackmail/nag women into liking you because you just want it really badly. Even if you think you're a decent guy and you'd be good for them, and even if you can be witty while you're badgering them.
That being said, I think maybe "creepy" IS the wrong word. I suppose "creepy" should include a threatening element, which this situation doesn't, but he was most certainly very rude and disrespectful. And actually, the blackmail probably did cross over into creepy. That was no, yeah: creepy's the word. -
Shaftell — 10 years ago(September 19, 2015 01:38 AM)
I was going to make a similar post after finishing the movie. I don't think he was a stalker but he definitely was a little creepy. First off, I like the actor (from GOT) but I thought he needed a shave for this movie. Blake Lively looked so elegant in this movie and the male lead looked a little too unkempt. I definitely thought he was very pushy and also that the entire relationship moved incredibly fast. The worst is when he shows up at her workplace with donations and would only donate if she went out with him. I wish they portrayed him differently because I thought he was incredibly douchy.
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Jessical1992 — 10 years ago(September 20, 2015 03:26 PM)
I agree. At the beginning when he forced her on a date or threatened to not donate the books really turned me off. Not sure why the movie went in that direction. They could have made his character much more likable.
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liscarkat-2 — 10 years ago(September 20, 2015 05:03 PM)
Yeah, I thought he was annoying and too pushy. It was obvious she wasn't interested in becoming involved with him, yet he just kept putting pressure on her and insinuating himself into her life. It only worked because he was rich and (supposedly) attractive.
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winds10-2 — 10 years ago(September 23, 2015 02:52 PM)
And how about the s***ty joke he told? Maybe his character was meant to represent the ordinary banality, which the female lead longed for, cause, well, her life was pretty screwed, what with the eternal youth and all.
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Niphredil12 — 10 years ago(September 26, 2015 02:16 PM)
Absolutely agree, she rejected him (politely) multiple times and he just kept pushing. And the fact that he'd seen her before and already knew who she was before they met was just really creepy, especially when he manipulated her into going out with him for the books, and later finding out her home address which ew come on dude
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barbosa-vicki — 10 years ago(October 03, 2015 01:52 PM)
I hate to be a wet blanket, but this movie, along with our whole culture, has the whole dating thing backwards.
They meet, a spark is ignited, they fall into bed. After that they go through all the shenanigans I think I love you, maybe I love you too, I'm leaving,I need my space, etc etc. This is how it's done in all the movies, and I guess often in real life.
But it's stupid. Really, really stupid. If you're not in love with someone, it's a no-brainer don't have sex with them. It avoids a lot of problems. Sex is designed to create an emotional bond, which is why it's wise to avoid sex with people you may not want to end up with, or don't respect
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Imagine, for a second, if Elizabeth had gone to bed with Mr. Darcy right away, on first meeting him. It would destroy the plot of Pride and Prejudice.
Bottom line, you can write a love story in which the sex is the endgame, the reward for courage, persistence, and devotion, not just the casual meaningless encounter that we've turned it into. -
IvyTempleton — 9 years ago(June 11, 2016 01:58 PM)
But it's stupid. Really, really stupid. If you're not in love with someone, it's a no-brainer don't have sex with them. It avoids a lot of problems. Sex is designed to create an emotional bond, which is why it's wise to avoid sex with people you may not want to end up with, or don't respect
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Imagine, for a second, if Elizabeth had gone to bed with Mr. Darcy right away, on first meeting him. It would destroy the plot of Pride and Prejudice.
Bottom line, you can write a love story in which the sex is the endgame, the reward for courage, persistence, and devotion, not just the casual meaningless encounter that we've turned it into.
I agree. Not to say you can't do it that way if you choose but the result may not be as satisfying. Unless you are satisfied with casual sex and no attachment with some drama thrown in - if the guy/girl turns out to be creepy.