Why not stay in the apartment?
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shutic84 — 12 years ago(November 16, 2013 08:51 PM)
The AK-47 is the worlds most produced firearm and should be familiar to many in law enforcement. It is simple in design and easy to manipulate. If these cops had any rifle proficiency training in their career (especially Gyllenhaal's character having been a Marine) then adding an AK-47 to their arsenal wouldn't be inconceivable. Also, pitting an AK-47 against a pistol, I'd pick the AK-47 every time.
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hindsights5150 — 12 years ago(December 01, 2013 12:57 AM)
because the movie was poorly written. If they have their lives on the line, they aren't going to ask the loud mouth lady nicely to be quiet, they would cover her mouth and stay safe.The gunmen didn't know where the cops were so they just needed to silence the woman and stay hidden. In real life they would, but in a poorly written movie, they would let her give them up.
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kunivinbastard — 12 years ago(June 13, 2013 04:14 PM)
Just as a general reply to some of the silly things posted.
Given the Hispanics asked for heavier guns,as well as what those guns did to the wall and flat,there would have been little protection offered by the plasterboard dividers and any furniture within the building. They mentioned that the cops had bulletproof vests in earlier scenes,it's likely these guns would have been able to penetrate anything the cops his behind.
Secondly there were 5 at my count at least antagonisers,1 could lay surpressing fire while the other advanced therefore holing any way an officer could effectively return fire till they were on top of them.
Thos saying pick up the AK.If you've ever fired an AK yo would know why they didn't bother,the accuracy is amazingly poor,as an assault rifle it lacks real power,they had no guarantee of extra clips,they don't know the weight of the weapon. As later scenes proved the glock was effective and accurate in burst fire,rather than just unloading a mag.
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Panpl — 12 years ago(June 15, 2013 10:05 PM)
I found the part where half a dozen gangbangers firing AK's on full auto at a distance of max 50m can't hit two cops standing still completely ridiculous. Maybe after that the cops were certain there's something fundamentally wrong with the weapons these Mexicans had. Obviously they couldn't hit the side of a barn with them.
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Luftwaffler — 12 years ago(June 16, 2013 11:11 PM)
- No such thing as a bulletproof vest
- AK47's aren't inaccurate
- Lack power? Yeah, nothey're powerful. And they had full auto ones as well.
- Magazine =/= clip
- Burst fire with a semi auto?
Anyway, I doubt anyone here has been in a firefight, myself included. We'd all probably panic, and the stress of the situation would make you do things that you think you wouldn't do. Stop talking tactics while you're sitting comfy in your chair or whatever.
Sitting in an apartment with paper-thin walls and a big ass open view into the room and trying to "defend" it against a force with more manpower and firepower is stupid, and obviously Gyllenhaal's character knew that, and you either run and/or die, or die sitting there. Who knows why they didn't pick up the gun, maybe the stress. They just wanted to get out of there quickly and didn't think about it, perhaps. As for the car, they didn't know the locations of the bad guys, maybe they were close and didn't want to become sitting ducks trying to get the car rolling.
It's also a movie.
balls
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awesome-au — 12 years ago(June 22, 2013 08:58 PM)
Agreed to a point. Don't forget Gyllenhaal's character was a marine and it was his marine training that caused him to choose the escape option.
Their position wasn't great. As mentioned, the glass doors had been shot out, so their cover was minimal. Besides, these guys were packing some serious weaponry, who's to say they didn't have explosives? A grenade and the fight is over. Basically they wouldn't have survived in the apartment for long enough for back-up to arrive with a small army of bangers after them.
I do find their following actions to be poor judgement though. Running down the alley and making the amount of noise they did was a poor idea. -
dodgethat — 12 years ago(July 09, 2013 07:49 AM)
i thought too they should've stayed in the apartment but fine i get them running i can live with that.
what i cant live with
#1 why not hide in the dark area's that were just outside of the apartment building? once they escaped i doubt the mexicans had night vision or anything to see them
#2 why didnt they take that guys car after the shot him? get in the car and flee?
#3 if they did either 1 or 2 they wouldnt then be running down a looooooooooooooooooooooooong (really long) dark side street that had no exits? sure enough a truck rolls down at the end and they are trapped! -
firdaus125 — 12 years ago(August 01, 2013 10:26 AM)
OP and the people who say they should have stayed in the apartment know what they're talking about. I've been in the army, what they did was pretty stupid if you ask me. There was going to be backup coming sooner or later, if they had just watch the doors and blasted anyone who tried to make their way in they would have survived.
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yahko_kun — 12 years ago(August 07, 2013 10:13 PM)
I think that if they stayed in the apartment the gang would eventually ry to shoot through the walls and they didnt want to risk the killing the the woman and her baby. In addition they thought it was only Big Evil crew, which was only 4 people. They didnt realize they had gang members everywhere and that running wasnt as easy.
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patrickkell — 12 years ago(August 27, 2013 09:16 PM)
Late to the party, but better late than never.
- They didn't get in the vehicle and try to run away, because they had no means of communication to advise their incoming backup that they had moved.
When you have backup on the way, who knows your approximate location, but you can't communicate to them that you're moving, you stay in your general location. - A typical AK-47 round has an effective range of 350m, and can still be lethal at 1500m. (Typical being 7.62x39 255gr, steel core)
Considering standard AK rounds can penetrate 3/8 steel within at least that range, if we use the approximate 50m distance that someone else suggested, that's more than enough to penetrate through the plaster walls of that apartment.
Oh, and an AK at 100 yards (91.44m) can be accurate within 6 inches. There's a lot more inches than that for a human body. - The angle of firing into the apartment was horrible for the shooters. It looked like they'd maybe be hitting 5-6 feet into the apartment, though if they crouched or went prone they could have fired further in.
- I doubt they had any form of explosive. If they did, we almost certainly would have seen it during the final shoot out.
- In the end, they did what they did because IT'S IN THE SCRIPT!
- They didn't get in the vehicle and try to run away, because they had no means of communication to advise their incoming backup that they had moved.
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estocade — 12 years ago(August 30, 2013 11:37 AM)
This thread is hilarious.
What if attackers have a grenade?
Fortify how? With Swedish furniture?
What if all of them will barge into the apartment with machine guns?
When outnumbered the best defense is to move, if there is a chance of course.
Sure, they were up against machine guns.
About AK47, you do not give your life into the hands of a weapon that might fail on you, it's not a game. A machine gun has advantages over a handgun same as it has disadvantages over it, like long range accuracy and weight. -
clubsamwich — 12 years ago(December 22, 2013 09:37 PM)
Unlike others on this thread, I have not been trained in urban warefare.
If I was in their situation, I would be looking for exits too. They're trained best with their sidearm not with an AK47, they would be doing what they have been trained to do in that situation and I doubt they are trained to switch weapons.
The only thing I would have done differently is take the first vehicle I could. At the very least if you're driving and you get in the beep again you can use it as cover. -
IL_Maestro — 12 years ago(January 21, 2014 10:01 AM)
staying there wasn't an issue for me, it didn't really matter much
if they stayed then their hiding place was known, that is the only point
the AK was a real issue, whether u gonna use it or not u just have to pick it up coz u dunno what happens next
even while u r playing games like MOH u pick up any weapon u find
at least when u take it then u r taking it from them, every opportunity to decrease ur opponent's weapons is a chance of survival
if they wanted to enter that hiding place and found a dead man without a weapon they would know u picked it and would hesitate a lil
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Kent_Kainer — 11 years ago(October 29, 2014 05:10 PM)
Well Brian said that he fked up, when he was lying on that street bleeding dying. I don't know what precisely he meant to have fked up (getting hit?) but something on the run.
I wouldn't consider the run itself a fk-up.
There were at least two entries to cover, straight in line of the two cops but opposite of each other and there was an innocent person +her baby in great danger too, and it was unknown how many attackers more may arrive and what else they'd bring with them.
The weapons were chosen to go through their bulletproof vests. They surely noticed the firepower.
Staying in the apartment is being on the silver platter.
Escape and forcing the attackers to search after them was a good choice.
Maybe they should have hidden elsewhere instead. Out of sight until reinforcement comes. But that may be risky too. Somebody fishy may see that.
I'm sure in such a situation you just do as you've learnt while training. You act or you piss your pants.
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Peter Bishop: I lost a universe! -
mjack421 — 10 years ago(July 13, 2015 09:00 PM)
I believe when he said he beep up, he meant putting Z and himself in that situation, going back to checking out that house and more or less forcing Z to come along.
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