"Spielen wir Liebe" is not kiddie porn, nor illegal except in germany. "
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Poukram — 20 years ago(September 06, 2005 05:49 AM)
It is quite amusing for a non-american to read about your "moral"! What is your problem with nudity or naked children? See, in Europe, we have no problem with nudity at all. And to see a nude body is fully natural. And nobody is pedophile when looking at a nude child. I am going on holidays to Montalivet/France, one of the biggest nudist-camps in Europe for the last 30 years (first with my parents, now alone or with my own family and/or friends). And there are nudes of all ages and sizes. And there is no problem to be nude, there are no "perverts" or something like that. Nudity is natural!
And by the way: Eva was and is still a beauty. I have all the pictures here mother took from here, when she was between 11 and 16 years old. She was lovely!
And if someone is going to answer me, please let me know: nudity is not good, but giving weapons to children is OK? Violence is better than being nude?
Thx a million!
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junk-mail-4 — 20 years ago(October 14, 2005 06:57 PM)
Simple question in return; if your daughter was in a nudist camp, with 999 "normal" naturalists and 1 stated sex offender, would you knowingly leave her there unclothed for his entertainment? Think hard before you answer.
And "if someone is going to answer me, please let me know: nudity is not good, but giving weapons to children is OK? Violence is better than being nude?"; that's just pure sophism masquerading as a coherant answer. -
Poukram — 20 years ago(October 18, 2005 02:06 AM)
One question back to you, junk-mail-4: you let your children go out on the street even knowing, that there could be a guy who wants to rape your child? Even knowing, that 1 from a 100 could kill your child?
But to your question: from your answer I can see, that you never ever have been in a nudist camp in your whole live. You even don't know, that children are never alone, they are all the time together with their parents, familiy or direct peer-group (if you know, what it means). Alone-standing (does this word exists in english?) people are not allowed in the most nudist-camps. The majority is married and have a family. You are answering (or questioning) like someone, who says "NUDITY = SEX = RAPE = BAD". THATs what I see in America for along time now, you cannot devide between nudity and sexuality (no wonder, that most of the american teenager are the prudest in the whole world).
So, if you have never been in a camp like that, don't bother me by asking questions from the yellow press.
And you didn't answer my question: is violence better? Didn't you learn from Columbine?
AND BY THE WAY: IT IS CALLED
NATURIST
AND NOT
NATURALIST
!
Das Volk ist doof
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andrpas — 20 years ago(December 11, 2005 01:34 AM)
I may seem to be impolite, but here is what I think:
What I respect most of all are two things:- truth (it does not matter if it is spelled out or not, as it is always there).
- logical thinking, based NOT on some cliche(s) or stereotype(s), not even on emotions regardless of their origin (even if these emotions stem from a culture or religion).
But this might be a little bit too "general" personal statement.
I'll try to be more specific here.
What I see and hear everywhere around me quite often is just a little bit too much "WHAT IF". Especially after 9/11.
"What if there will be a terrorist hiding nuclear bomb in the minivan and driving it to our ("proper") town?"
WOWWW!
This is right!
Let's invade another weaker country and kill tens of thousands to feel a little bit more comfortable JUST ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR "What if", etc.
I won't continue with more silly examples of "reasonings" which start with "What if".
Any one of us can think of and come up with hundreds of them.
"Dutschke" gave you a very good one, out of (probably) 1000 others possible.
And all of them would be as good as the one given.
At this point, and frankly, I would call 99% of statements starting
with "what if" as at least five cents demagogy.
Not even as good as cheap NLP manipulation techniques or exercises from popular brochures on "the art of a dispute".
But then, depending on the subject and emotions involved, it could be
(and unfortunately it is true for many situations in everyday's life here, in the US) as bad as "brainwashing" for certain purposes on one side, and signs of a possible emotional or even mere psychiatrical problem(s) on the other side in certain cases
Please, do not think I am calling you "crazy"!
I am not a US-born, so if I would try to insult you, I would say it explicitly.
(BTW, according to what you write, I think that you are quite far from being "crazy", otherwise I would not write this post or any other comment at all).
I am just trying to inspire your thinking about some concepts (!!!) in a given modern culture. And about a concept of "nudity" in particular.
As far as our personality is concerned, it does not really matter what I/we/you say in public about whatever.
But it does matter if you can realize (just for yourself) at least the following:
to what extent your PERSONAL opinion (even if it is just a "feeling", not a solid opinion) on any particular concept or event is formed by a "culture" around you, and to what extent it is formed by your own cold reasoning based on YOUR cold logic with the help of facts/statistics and, perhaps,
your OWN (!!!) experience?
Speaking about "nudity of minors" concept applied to the US culture and its stereotypes, I can easily ask you a few simple yet logical questions which might completely knock you down. These questions would not be rude or insulting to anyone.
Not at all!
They just might be from the area you may prefer not to think about at all due to a possible "cultural" influence, etc.
I will not ask you to answer those questions to me or to anyone else in person or over the Internet, if you decide so.
They will be just for you, so you could ask them yourself.
Yet, I am not sure
Let me know.
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theholographic — 19 years ago(January 20, 2007 12:38 PM)
My instant reaction to your question was, of course, "No way!". But then I got thinking. There are killers out there, but I would still send my kids out into the streets. So I don't know. I'd want to protect them, but not be overly-protective.
To the Observatory! -
przgzr — 17 years ago(December 10, 2008 04:26 PM)
First paragraph: yes, I am a nudist and I took my family to naturist beaches, and if there was a sex offender among us enjoying what he could have see, there have been 999 "normal" naturists (not naturalists but it's just a matter of education to know who were or are naturalists) to help my daughter if he tried to do anything, what is much safer then being fully dressed alone with a sex offender.
As for second paragraph, " that's just pure sophism masquerading as a coherant answer " that was just a pure avoiding to write any answer. -
harryposter — 20 years ago(January 06, 2006 07:44 AM)
Not sure of USA, but DVD is available with canadian net store.
Ask guys from http://rarefilmfinder.com. They know where to find those movies like Maladolescenza. -
flipendo666 — 20 years ago(January 24, 2006 01:53 PM)
You must be kidding!
5-40 years for what? for watching a movie, where people under 18 acting nude? watch out for watching the news, there mite be a chance u see a beach footage where a youngster running on the beach with out clothes. Sigh. Plz dont use this movie as a bat in a discussion about child porn. Its a movie. It contains underage actors, and yes, they appear nude. But to compare that to childporn is just ignorant.
my 2 cents
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mocoslocos_667 — 19 years ago(May 25, 2006 04:14 PM)
Weird, i was thinking about getting this movie untill i noticed the content..
Looks pretty disturbing to me. Having a child at that age makes me think about the people out there. And why anybody would want to see a movie with naked children in the first place. Call it "art" if you will but, adults have no buisiness watching such a movie. I googled the name of this movie and child porn sites came up. If it seems perfectly natural to see a movie with kids beep in it, i would like to keep my kids out of europe. -
kalvinharp — 18 years ago(May 31, 2007 02:25 PM)
The reason you get child porn sites when you google it is because some people, mostly pedophiles, watch the film and look at it in a sexual way. However, the films main purpose was to protray the struggles preteens and young teens struggle with during emerging adolescence. If you have a mature child, i would say let them watch the film because it can be used as a tool to which your son or daughter can relate to, knowing that such feelings are natural at "that age" but that in most cases it can be dangerous to act on such impulses, just look at what happens at the end of the film. Another great film to show kids that they are not alone in feeling certain feelings and being totally confused is: Thirteen (2003), You Are Not Alone (1978, Angela (1995), Elephant (2003).
Such films can be very real to a preteen, or a teen, and can be used to either show kids what needs to be done or what should not be done. Many of these kind of issues dealt with in these films has never really been addressed in mainstream media, if a kid acts out we dope them up with drugs for ADD and ADHD instead of trying to solve or locate the source of the problem.
However, if you feel that these kinds of films are not right for your child, I would reccomend that you, yourself watch them. I would say that it would help you become a better parent, being able to better understand what a person going through adolescence or preteen age kids are going through.
Remember that none of these films were made to be a child erotica or child porn platform (however some choose to see them that way), they were made to explore many untalked about subjects and taboo subjects that need to be addressed.
I, myself, went through many harsh times during adolescence and if I would have seen one of these films, I think I would of been able to cope better knowing that I was not the only one thinking and feeling and going through certain things. -
gusleon04 — 19 years ago(September 03, 2006 07:02 PM)
I NEVER SEE THIS MOVIE BEFORE, I LOVE ALL CULT AND EROTIC MOVIES IF HAVE CONTROVERSY BETTER I LOVE IT, BUT IN THIS MOVIE ( ONLY I SEE THE PICS OR SCREENSHOTS ) AND I READ THE ARTICLE, THE NUDITY IS NOT OBSCENE IS ART AND WE HAVE TO SEE IT THAT WAY, IS JUST A MOVIE, PORNOGRAPHY IS MEAT ,THEY ARE ACTORS THEY PRETEND, ONLY THEY ARE NAKED BUT IN THE PORNO MOVIES THEY NOT PRETEND THE SCENES, THIS MOVIE IS NOT PORNOGRAPHY IS EROTIC , YOU REMEMBER THOSE MOVIES: LAGGON BLUE,KIDS AND SOME OTHERS . SEE IT IF YOU WANT TO , IS JUST MOVIE ,KEEP INTIMATE TO YOURSELF.
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kalvinharp — 18 years ago(May 21, 2007 02:15 PM)
http://www.azovfilms.com/default.asp
is the site that is selling it. Read their disclaimer it is legal. Plus I have talked to 2 FBi agents and a sheriff about the film, it is 100% legal.