OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born?
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:27 AM)
pseudo philosophy
You can keep calling it that but it won't make it that.
he will end up getting owned on it yet again
You can keep claiming I get "owned" but it's never really happened. Know how I know? 'Cause I'd be
thrilled
if someone could actually prove one of my conclusions wrong.
I am sure that there must be more appropriate forums even here to speak about it.
Clicking this too much work for you?
Also, this
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OdumC — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:31 AM)
You can keep claiming I get "owned" but it's never really happened. Know how I know? 'Cause I'd be thrilled if someone could actually prove one of my conclusions wrong.
It's happened multiple times before. you just start dissecting everything hoping to win by exhausting the person who proved you wrong.
Sorry to break it to you, but that's not winning. it's just showing you're too immature to admit when you're wrong.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:44 AM)
Can't read ya, OdumC. You're on my ignore list for being a troll.
Also, this
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OdumC — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:22 AM)
More like "On his ignore list for proving him wrong beyond all doubt"
I was the one who originally debunked his "Need is just a myth" tripe pointing out that humans need food water and oxygen to survive. that's not a want, that's a textbook need.
And he couldn't handle it.
But, you know, he WISHES someone could prove him wrong.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
yukio14 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:01 AM)
OdumC
More like "On his ignore list for proving him wrong beyond all doubt"
I was the one who originally debunked his "Need is just a myth" tripe pointing out that humans need food water and oxygen to survive. that's not a want, that's a textbook need.
And he couldn't handle it.
But, you know, he WISHES someone could prove him wrong.
now you can see it OP! the reality you try to ignore
yeah OP just some kid with weak mentality
wasting his brain with this "need is myth" things is stupid and wrong
ORE GA NIPPONJIN JANAI! -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 12:12 PM)
Also, this
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 12:17 PM)
No, there is no wasting time. We do what we do and the universe will have no opinion about it.
Also, this
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 12:15 PM)
More like "On his ignore list for proving him wrong beyond all doubt"
I was the one who originally debunked
I was the one who originally debunked his "Need is just a myth" tripe pointing out that humans need food water and oxygen to survive. that's not a want, that's a textbook need.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706 -
ThoatWobblerMangrove — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 11:26 AM)
What's your point of comparison? Do you have some sort of baseline notion in your head for where society is to be 6,000 years after emerging from the Stone Age? If so, how did you determine this? How are you deciding on the amount of "progress" - nebulous and ill-defined a concept as that is - that would cause you to give humanity a grade of "satisfactory", rather than your current complete disgust with your species?
My theory, if I may: There is no standard humanity could have reached that would have led you to declare "success". No matter what sort of ber-utopian society we could have cobbled together by this point, you still would have laser-focused your attention on its imperfections and declared your utter disgust with the entire thing. This really isn't about humanity. It's about you.
Edit: Not really a "theory". That requires far more testing and a much greater evidentiary threshold. Should have said "hypothesis".
Another edit: And, now Knowby joins the thread, offering evidence that Matt was right after all -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 03:21 AM)
What's your point of comparison? Do you have some sort of baseline notion in your head for where society is to be 6,000 years after emerging from the Stone Age?
"Is to be"? You mean where the societies of mankind "should" be? No, I have no baseline notion in my head where that would be.
Also, you're focusing on the societies from 6,000 years ago and on and ignoring the
3.4 million years of societies
before that.
How are you deciding on the amount of "progress" - nebulous and ill-defined a concept as that is - that would cause you to give humanity a grade of "satisfactory", rather than your current complete disgust with your species?
How about the SIMPLE RECOGNITION that "importance" is a myth?
Or that "need" (aka "necessity" aka "requiring") is a myth?
OR that "should" is a myth?
OR that "must" (aka "have to") is a myth?
OR that "justification" is a myth?
Or that "laws" and "crimes" are myths? That "theft" and "murder" (aka "unsanctioned killing") are myths?
OR that "morally right and morally wrong" are myths, confusing good and evil with ACCURACY?
OR that "property" (aka "ownership") is a myth?
OR that "deserving" is a myth?
OR that "owing" is a myth?
OR that "duty" and "responsibility" are myths?
OR that "purpose" is a myth?
OR that "value" (aka "worth") is a myth?
OR that "perfection and imperfection" are myths?
OR that "nations" are myths?
OR that "money" and "the economy" are myths?
And by
myth
I mean
fiction
,
figment
. Something that only exists in the imagination and only affect us organisms through our imagination.
Just a few of those simple recognitions on some global (or thereabouts) scale would cause me to give humanity a grade of "satisfactory".
"Progress" is not exactly the word, you see. It's a question of the truth. Of what's real and what's fiction. A CAVEMAN WHO NEVER MET ANOTHER HUMAN BEING CAN DO THAT, if he's
just smart enough
.
My theory, if I may: There is no standard humanity could have reached that would have led you to declare "success". No matter what sort of ber-utopian society we could have cobbled together by this point, you still would have laser-focused your attention on its imperfections and declared your utter disgust with the entire thing. This really isn't about humanity. It's about you.
I feel I've proven you wrong.
And there are no "imperfections" since "perfection" is a myth.
Edit: Not really a "theory". That requires far more testing and a much greater evidentiary threshold. Should have said "hypothesis".
No, you simply said it and there is simply nothing we "should" say during our lifetimes and nothing ever "requires" anything.
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 03:46 AM)
If value is a myth, you would already have shuffled off this mortal coil, because there would not be a reason left to live.
But for some reason you still value life enough to not end it.
Meaning that value is not a myth.
The rest of those things follow automatically.
That's the reason why nihilism will always be wrong. Everyone that ends his/her life, ends the existence that they didn't value. Meaning that all that's left in the world, is people who value their existence.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:12 AM)
If value is a myth, you would already have shuffled off this mortal coil, because there would not be a reason left to live.
Explain your reasoning there. "Value" is a myth, it has nothing to do with me indulging my instinct to survive and stick around.
But for some reason you still value life enough to not end it.
We don't "value". That's a trick of language, not reality.
EDIT: We
care
about things but that does not turn "value" non-fictional.
That's the reason why nihilism will always be wrong.
I don't care about nihilism. Life is not
meaning
less hence nihilism is false.
Also, this
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:47 AM)
It means you have a value for your existence that is higher than zero.
No, like I said, caring does not turn "value" non-fictional. Caring is just caring.
EDIT: In nature (or biology, I guess?) organisms without self-preservation instincts go extinct. Not going extinct does not turn "value" non-fictional.
Also, this
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 05:17 AM)
And that's the trick of language. Caring is real, "value" is not. "Valuing" thereby becomes fuzzy.
Also, this
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 05:49 AM)
You have it backwards. Organisms have instincts. They have no "value".
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:33 AM)
Of course they do.
Your argument is that value doesn't exist without the definition, but the biological functions that inform the word exist whether there is a definition or not.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.