A feminist girl power movie
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Skaathar — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 12:29 PM)
Ah see, now you're bringing gender into the argument whereas I made no mention of it at all. Seems you're the one who's being sexist. An agenda will hurt a movie if the agenda and the storyline/plot don't coincide. If the agenda is the storyline then obviously that will work. More often than not it doesn't, and that hurts a movie.
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Teflon_Boy — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 03:21 PM)
So a film about a fictional female character, directed by a female director is 'pathetic'? I wonder how many men are involved with the making of the film.., yet because the director is female it's supposedly thrown the world off axis rolls eyes Why is it always deemed 'PC' to make a film about anything other than a straight white male? The film stars a person darker than a pint of milk? PC!! How about a woman? SJW Feminist pandering!!!! Jheez I feel sorry for you.
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aquarianbrass — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 08:56 PM)
You deplorable neckbeards love stringing random words together like they mean something. What are you trying to say? Riding the "feminist PC" wave as oppose to riding the "sexist, typical patriarchal, done to death" wave?
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Soaring_Eagle_USA — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 12:52 AM)
The studio wants to make a good movie that will generate HUGE $$$ so they can do something easy like a sequel to generate even more $$$. To do this successfully you want to target the widest possible audience and you do that by not offending your core audience (which for super hero movies are males age 24-60) by pushing agendas.
Sony tried that with Ghost Busters 2016, and then doubled down on it when they were promoting the film, and it flopped spectacularly. Agenda pushing tends to slow the pacing of a movie, especially action movies, just to fit your chosen agenda into the script. None of those things translates to good box office numbers.
CBS tried that with Supergirl and it started mediocre, got moved to CW, and is continuing to drop. I'll be surprised if it gets renewed at the end of the year. -
mddwbsst — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 04:19 AM)
To do this successfully you want to target the widest possible audience and you do that by not offending your core audience (which for super hero movies are males age 24-60) by pushing agendas.
If there honestly offended by ideas as basic as equality and anti-discrimination its a pretty good argument why they shouldn't be allowed opinions.
Sony tried that with Ghost Busters 2016, and then doubled down on it when they were promoting the film, and it flopped spectacularly.
That film would have flopped even if it hadn't had an agenda. It was an inferior remake of a classic, that was honestly not that funny. -
Soaring_Eagle_USA — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 08:07 AM)
If there honestly offended by ideas as basic as equality and anti-discrimination its a pretty good argument why they shouldn't be allowed opinions.
Ah the definition of 3rd wave feminist bigotry. Girl power to the exclusion of all else is just sexism from the other direction. Most men (myself included) aren't at all upset by equality but when the goal is superiority and the excuse is, history of your fathers or abuse by your genetic group, requires an amount of privilege that is excusing the behavior in yourself that you abhor in others. Only the women are cool and smart. Men can only be buffoons or villains, is this the lesson you want your son(s) to learn?
As for opinions why are theirs any less valuable then yours?
That film would have flopped even if it hadn't had an agenda. It was an inferior remake of a classic, that was honestly not that funny.
This is true, but it did have an agenda, it was made visible as an agenda by the director and some of the cast, and it was done so poorly and so offensively that the end result is that equality is now harder, making a successful female centric movie is harder, and new attempts at true equality may be seen as grasping for privilege whether they are or not. -
polar167 — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 11:16 AM)
Ah the definition of 3rd wave feminist bigotry. Girl power to the exclusion of all else is just sexism from the other direction. Most men (myself included) aren't at all upset by equality but when the goal is superiority
What did they say that meant men were inferior and women should be superior? All they said was that men who have archaic opinions about society - and yes, thinking equality is useless is an archaic opinion - then it's better they have no opinions at all because they are no longer current. The
opinons
of men is what is making them inferior because it means they have to change and they don't want to, not that they are simply men.
And frankly, what are you expecting out of a female led movie, with a female director? Of course it's going to be told from a female perspective.
It's about a woman
and
her
story, not a general superhero story to please the male masses. Do you get this upset when a male led movie with a male director is told from a male perspective? No? Didn't think so. -
CelluloidAdmirer — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 05:10 PM)
Of course it's going to be told from a female perspective. It's about a woman and her story, not a general superhero story to please the male masses.
If I may interject here, not every woman or person for that matter has the same perspective.
I'm African-American and it irritates me when somebody hires a black director to get things from a black person's perspective when I don't have the the same perspective as other African-Americans and trust me when I say that my perspectives and opinions have caused some others in my community to call me a sellout or an Uncle Tom.
Bottom line is that the director has to make the best movie possible for the masses and if the politics are more important to a director than making good entertaininment, man OR woman, black OR white, they have no business being there, period.
I go to movies to be entertained and not to have my intelligence insulted or to be preached to. -
JasonRebourne — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 04:59 PM)
If I may interject here, not every woman or person for that matter has the same perspective.
Feminism 101, if a woman disagrees with you, she's an internalized misogynist.
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aquarianbrass — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 01:28 AM)
It irritates you when a black person is hired to direct a film? You are an Uncle Tom. What's wrong with you?
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CelluloidAdmirer — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 03:08 AM)
it irritates me when somebody hires a black director to get things from a black person's perspective when I don't have the the same perspective as other African-Americans
Now, where in that statement did I say that it irritated when a black person is hired to direct a film? What irritates me when a black director is hired BECAUSE HE'S BLACK.
BTW, I would suggest you be careful who you're calling an Uncle Tom. I may have been called that before but it doesn't give you the right for you to do so.
And you're dense if you don't think that movies don't have inherent politics. Always making the hero a white male IS a political statement.
I know some movies have inherent politics. I'm saying that it doesn't belong in movies, period and I don't give a rat's ass what color the hero, I go to movies to be entertained dammit and not to watch a pseudo-political ad.