but the fact that he is black has impacted his personality and character on the show, which is what bothers a lot of peo
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LithMaethor — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 10:22 PM)
I disagree completely with you about colorbending vs whitewashing. They are not the same thing at all. One is taking PoC representation away and one is adding some.
Figured you would, as you seem to subscribe to a collectivist ideology that I do not. I see no difference between making T'Challa white or making Olsen black, except for the fact T'Challa's core as a character depends on his race to a huge degree. On principle, however, the two cases are exactly as "problematic" for me.
The white/PoC ratio for major characters in comics is so skewed in the direction of white people that it's seriously not a big deal IMO to colorbend a few characters if it doesn't affect the narrative (for ex- I think the X-Men's White Queen/Emma Frost should probably stay white bc it would seem weird if she weren't given her character, while Nick Fury being black actually makes the character 1000% better to me).
That's because that is how they were created at the time. If you want more PoCs or whatever other minority in, create new characters. Emma would indeed feel out of character if she was anything other than white, blonde, and prissy, but Fury is actually in line with the comics, just the Ultimate version of the character (who later migrated in a way to Earth-616). Also Sam L. Jackson.
White was always the default, so if a few characters can be changed to be more inclusive and it doesn't mess up the narrative, why be stingy?
I'm a canon purist. If canon for a character is being a pink haired bearded transgender black asian viking, then I damn well expect the character to be that way in an adaptation. The only exception being a clear alternate universe, a la DC's Elseworlds, or some of the 52 Earths were everything is different (I believe Earth-23 is the one with all-black heroes).
We agree on Olsen though, his issues go far beyond race. The characterisation is all wrong, and I'd have a lot less of an issue if they at least kept the personality on point.
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Educator07 — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 01:22 AM)
I loved the Cosby Show and it depict a positive African-American family. However, it was a comedy in the 80s. Bill Cosby intentionally seeded that show with references to African-American culture. I.E. The focus on jazz, black universities, people the family admired.
However, once you reach a certain economic level in this country, depending on where you live, your world becomes very white. He was a doctor married to a lawyer. Lots of money. There are neightborhoods with lots of rich black people, they are rare.
From what I see of my former students and considering Jame's age and his father's occupation, James does appear to be spot on. Military brats of color are fairly indistinguishable from
Jimmy's best friend is Clark Kent, a prototypical 1950's midwestern white guy.
I don't trust these writers to "Blacken" Jimmy without getting on a soapbox or turning him into a stereotype. Being white in America is not the same as being black, but I Jimmy's life is very similar to a lot of other Blacks that have made it, apparently raised middle class, with a college education. He may listen to rap, but he also loves Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and read Spiderman as a kid.
It's likely a lot of the black kids in his school thought he was trying to act white, o they would not be who he was and a lot of his white schoolmates were flabbergasted that this big black guy would rather take pictures of the mostly white cheerleading squad or the sports contests than participate in them.
I.E. Majority of friends and enemies are white, open to dating women of most races, but finds most of the people in his social circle are white, drawn to an expensive art (photography) that excludes many African-Americans.
It would make a bit more sense to colorize Diggle and they have to an extent as he was in the military and the military is very diverse compared to journalism.
Of course, the writers could careless about putting this must detail into any character's background, too busy planning the next fight.
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LithMaethor — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 01:33 AM)
However, once you reach a certain economic level in this country, depending on where you live, your world becomes very white.
You could put it that way, or you could word it in a way people everywhere understand for centuries now.
The only privilege that truly matters is money. Everything else is cosmetic.
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AdroKwix — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 10:08 PM)
If it was a skinny nerdy black kid I wouldn't care about the skin colour either, because they would at least be embracing his personality.
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GiantStuffedDog — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 11:14 PM)
I'm not a fan of the story, either. It has way too much focus. They need to drop it and think of something else for the character, or write him off. I've liked this season and the other stories so far, but the Guardian stuff has really been weighing the episodes down. I don't know why they thought it would be a good idea lol. Does anyone like it or care about it??
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wljl — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 05:45 PM)
Oh, Thank God I am not the only who thinks this, and I like you have said it doesn't have anything with his skin color, he could be green, purple, whatever color and his story is still stupid and unnecessary, he is okay like a background character, maybe he could do something about all the bad publicity the aliens are getting thanks to Cadmus I mean he has Cat position and power, he could do everything for them from behind the desk but nooo, he has to play the hero, overshadowing Supergirl, Alex, Maggie and J'onn. Please scrap the character and making him to Gotham or move back to Metropolis.
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Swissangel4616 — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 08:45 PM)
Nothing against the actor who plays Jimmy. He might very attractive looking - oh what a suprise with a sixpack but I also thought he should be white. Specially when there was a rumor who would play Superman. At one point they have wanted Tom Welling back (from "Smallville").
What he should say when he meet Jimmy? - we remember : one of the Ashmore Twin's played Jimmy in "Smallville".
Superman/Clark Kent: "Oh Jimmy what happened to you..? you've changed the skin color"
Jimmy: I was transformed in a superchangebox by a supervillain.
Actually When I watched the Pilot and the first episode I thought: how bad this was made. Winn knows about Kara from the beginn.
For my taste: the rushed by far to fast into this.
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LithMaethor — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 12:07 AM)
Nothing against the actor who plays Jimmy. He might very attractive looking - oh what a suprise with a sixpack but I also thought he should be white. Specially when there was a rumor who would play Superman. At one point they have wanted Tom Welling back (from "Smallville").
What he should say when he meet Jimmy? - we remember : one of the Ashmore Twin's played Jimmy in "Smallville".
Superman/Clark Kent: "Oh Jimmy what happened to you..? you've changed the skin color"
Jimmy: I was transformed in a superchangebox by a supervillain.
I'm all for keeping things as close to canon as possible, but your argument falls flat because of a simple detail:
This is a different continuity (hell, a different Multiverse) than
Smallville
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red_rackham_77 — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 05:41 PM)
I agree, totally. I mean I started liking the idea of a tall, handsome and confident and suave guy who doesn't wear a dorky bow tie. But these last episodes I am more then ever wish they didn't change him into this. I want the old Jimmy back.