Beltran Hated Voyager?
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fugazi-grrl — 15 years ago(May 17, 2010 09:05 PM)
DS9 was, after Ron Moore took over, the darkest, edgiest, grittiest, and most depressing of the bunch. I suppose that makes "good" TV these days. But, I doubt it will stand the test of time as both TOS (still popular after nearly 45 years) and TNG (now nearly 23 years old) have done.
Shows like DS9 are good for a "watch once" - but once you see the kind of story it's trying to tell a second viewing doesn't have near as much punch. TOS & TNG don't try to deliver that much impact. They're more about a 1-hour burst of adventure, with, perhaps a bit of food for thought thrown in.
Voyager follows this style, which is more true to Trek than anything Moore came up with.
So, any TOS, TNG, or Voyager ep can be relevant as entertainment 40, 50, or 60 years later. DS9 will need a continually fresh audience to maintain a popularity. I think it's quality has also been tainted by what Ron Moore has gone on to do - an ugly, dark retelling of a classically camp 70s series - and Moore's version had sexist, racist, and homophobic overtones if you know where to look. -
saul_rothman — 14 years ago(November 17, 2011 08:42 PM)
what Ron Moore has gone on to do - an ugly, dark retelling of a classically camp 70s series - and Moore's version had sexist, racist, and homophobic overtones if you know where to look.
I loved Moore's BSG; you didn't. So far, no problem. People have different tastes that's what makes the world go 'round.
But as for BSG being sexist, racist, and homophobic, you are gonna have to give some examples. I've seen the series from beginning to end in two different marathons over the last year, and I haven't got a clue what you could possibly be referring to. Examples, please.
Saulisa
Logic is our best defense against The Experts. -
Mart-13 — 13 years ago(February 13, 2013 09:52 AM)
DS9 will need a continually fresh audience to maintain a popularity.
Well, DS9 will always have a fresh audience to maintain popularity
DS9 is about politics and war, and it is the show for any young person who wants to serve their country in the future.
I would maybe add Babylon 5, too.
I think of TNG as something for explorers and thinkers.
Stargate Universe is actually able to satisfy all above, but it's got less politics in it because of its undeservedly short run. -
butcher-574-374393 — 10 years ago(June 07, 2015 11:54 AM)
DS9 is for grownups and Voyager is more so for the simple and young! That's a bit harsh I suspect but Voyager was a tng wannabe, whilst ds9 actually did it's own thing and did it very well. It's like you live in the mirror universe, say hello to my evil double for me.
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portablefernie — 13 years ago(August 23, 2012 01:53 PM)
Beltran is a horrible actor. I seen backstage stuff from Season 1. he seemed bored out of his mind. He took it for the paycheck and honestly he wasnt worth the part. Just like the French chick they originally cast for Janeway's part. they actually shot half a pilot with that dreadful woman. great actress but not for these part, also so uninterested. Garret wang was another mistake. The only good choice was Dawson, she was great. Duncan,Wang,Beltran all horrible. if anybody should be hurt is Tim Russ. The best of the pacl, got the least attention and he has been a trek fan all his life. And Kate Mulgrew is a not b-word. She is just a classically trained actress like Robert Picardo and Patrick Stewart. They dont mess around on set. You dont mess with their scene and you need to keep up with them.
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shoopies — 10 years ago(October 22, 2015 08:11 PM)
She is just a classically trained actress like Robert Picardo and Patrick Stewart. They dont mess around on set. You dont mess with their scene and you need to keep up with them.
Actually you ought to listen to The Next Generation Cast. Patrick Stewart can goof around with the best of them. -
miamiscifi — 12 years ago(July 05, 2013 09:02 AM)
What a foolish, inane, inaccurate statement that one cannot, and you did not even attempt to substantiate. Better to say "I prefer." and maybe offer a reason, then some random outburst.
As to the subject. The actor does not have to like the project or genre. I find it amusing that fans assume all the actors are fans of the series or the origination/inspiring series. Folks they're looking for work. Are doctors fans of, ie. like, all their patients? -
workingonzen — 15 years ago(June 03, 2010 07:19 PM)
Personal quote from his bio page
"I thought Star Trek: Voyager was punishment for everything in my life up till that point. Thanks, dear Lord for the Star Trek gig."
Lord people, please read the bios before you start telling everyone what someone you don't know thinks. -
saul_rothman — 14 years ago(November 17, 2011 08:48 PM)
Personal quote from his bio page
"I thought Star Trek: Voyager was punishment for everything in my life up till that point. Thanks, dear Lord for the Star Trek gig."
I've re-read that quote a half-dozen times now and I still don't get it. It seems like the two statements completely contradict each other.
The only things I can think of are
A. The second sentence5b4 is sarcastic.
B. In the second sentence, he is thanking God for allowing him to (for lack of a better phrase) wash away his sins by performing penance.
C. The first sentence is how he used to feel; the second is how he feels now.
Does anyone know what he meant in this quote?
Saulisa
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covenant12 — 13 years ago(July 03, 2012 01:39 AM)
Here's the interview where he says it.
http://voices.yahoo.com/video/robert-beltran-interview-764019.html?cat =60
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Ndirsch11 — 14 years ago(July 26, 2011 02:16 AM)
Of all the cast members of Voyager, the two that were most screwed over by "the powers that be" were Robert Beltran and Jennifer Lien. So, if anyone had legitimate grievances to air, it would be them. Lien's too shy to say anything publicly about her dismissal from the show. But Beltran's not afraid to let his opinion be heard.
It's well known that Robert Beltran doesn't like the science fiction genre. That's his prerogative. In the case of Voyager, I think he just got fed up with having to repeat the same lines ("shields down to 20% captain!") over and over again. Beltran's criticisms of the Voyager producers/writers began sometime around the sixth season and then intensified by the seventh season. As far as I can tell, he was quite positive regarding the show and his character during the early seasons. That makes sense. Chakotay was used very regularly in the first three seasons. He was a major character with a lot of lines. But by the time Seven of Nine came on board, all the attention of the show seemed to focus on her. And when we got to season six, Chakotay practically ceased to exist altogether. You could replace him with a plank of wood in those last two seasons and it wouldn't make a dime's worth of difference. Chakotay's little spat with Janeway in "Equinox Part II" was the last useful thing he ever did. A once promising character was wasted.
Here's what Beltran had to say about the episode "Fury" and what the writers did to the character of Kes:
"What they asked her to do with her character, I didn't understand. I think our writers are that far from brain damaged. I don't get them. But we were happy to have her. She's great. We love Jennifer. I wish she had never left the show; she's a really fine actress. But it was just the same old indication of our writers and producers having their head firmly up their collective ass. Sorry, kids. You see, this will all get back to them. That's why I'm saying it. That's fine. Maybe they'll let me go by the middle of the season. I'll be a regular on ER or something."
And here's Beltran on the Voyager series finale, "Endgame":
"I was right, [the writers] are idiots. So I feel vindicated but unfortunately, you're going to have to sit through it. I was very disappointed. [] From mid season onwards I kept waiting for them to start making a move towards wrapping up some of these story arcs, but they didn't.[] [This] was meant to be about nine people on the ship, trying to get through some really extraordinary circumstances. Frankly, I'm not sure what it ended up being about."
^^ I'm glad someone on the cast spoke out against those two episodes. "Fury" and "Endgame" are really two of the worst Voyager episodes - a betrayal of everything the show and the Star Trek franchise was supposed to be about. Rick Berman and Brannon Braga settled for crass commercialism in a desperate attempt to boost ratings and public interest. But it didn't work.
I can't fault Beltran too much for his comments. He was on to something. I still believe Voyager was a very good show. But that finale was a travesty.