I'm oblivious to all the hate.
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Dirk_Diggler1 — 14 years ago(June 29, 2011 04:31 PM)
"How many people brought their own photographer to NOLA or Haiti?"
What's wrong with a person wanting to show people the good things that they do? It doesn't make them any less passionate about doing good deeds.
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filmscholar35 — 14 years ago(July 02, 2011 12:31 PM)
Like I said way before, the conservatives are the ones he mainly gets criticism/hate from, because he is so vocal about his politically liberal views, so they attack him.
But, that is NOT the only reason.
It is also that he is just so unfriendly to the public.
And it can seem hypocritical to be such a humanitarion and then be so rude to or even violently assault people for approaching you. I am reminded of a John Lennon lyric (where he was being critical of himself): "You say you're looking for a world of truth, the leader of a big ole band. You wanna save humanity, but it's people that you just can't stand."
As I stated before, I think Penn is a great actor, but he is a very unlikable guy in person, and not just because someone disagrees with his politics. I've personally seen him be very rude to people that admire him very much.
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hccman2000 — 10 years ago(June 17, 2015 11:33 PM)
Filmscholar35,
I really appreciate your candid, honest, and unbiased information. Regardless of your political views and personal views, it would be a much better place here if people could do what you did here and even in your post-posts. We all need to pay attention to the truth and do our research to wherever that may lead. Being unbiased is one of those things I really look up too in an individual. When I s2000ee posts like yours, which is not too often, subsequently I believe there is hope for mankind. IMHO, we all would get the correct info we were searching for by being unbiased. After a few decades of hearing and reading how nasty Penn is most of the time in public, then after a while you really have to wonder if that is the truth. I really believe you, when you stated in so many words of seeing him personally acting like a jackass to people. It is not hard for me to imagine, even if I like the guy, act in a negative demeanor because I can see the truth in your posts. You can see it, the truth that is in people's words, but IMO you have to be unbiased and reserve your opinion until you have done your research into someone or something in general. Now, I understand there are trolls and truly arrogant people out there, but that is too easy to spot and that is not what I am speaking of. Be kind to one another and do your research while being unbiased to get to the truth. I think a lot of the arrogance is obviously from not having a proper education, however I am not implying all people need college degrees or that you cannot develop remarkable things without a good education, but it sure helped me and I encourage all to strive to be the best individual they can be. See Film, your words certainly inspired me and I would probably not agree on much with you in other areas of common topics, such as politics, but I guarantee you that I could sit down with you and have a great conversation without getting into an argument. You really hit me with the honestly and truth, and it made me feel good for a minute. I had to remark and commend you. I apologize for the over exemplification, however I wanted to get my point through and be clear as possible. Thanks for sharing and have a great day even though you posted about 4 years ago:)
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Drebin31 — 15 years ago(January 16, 2011 11:34 PM)
Most people who don't like him feel that way because he is a disgusting human being. Like someone above implied, he is the quintessential hypocrite, often talking about equal rights, but then engaging in a violent and reckless lifestyle.
If you want specifics, here you go.
He has beaten his wife, attacked photographers, broken their equipment, been sued, been fined, been ordered to do community service, been arrested for assault, been imprisoned, and been charged with a felony.
He also receives negative attention for his outspoken and extreme political opinions, including heavy criticism of George W. Bush, which he often voices at extremely inappropriate venues such as the Academy Awards. He believes he is an authority on important social and political topics, even though in reality he is an actor/filmmaker, a job far less difficult or significant than those of the people he criticizes, and one that has nothing to do with what he talks about.
He also receives criticism for publicly supporting and seemingly becoming friends with socialist and communist leaders such as Cuba's Raul Castro and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, going so far as to meet them in their respective countries - a hypocritical notion in itself given his decision to continue living in capitalist America so he can make millions of dollars.
In addition, while Penn was acknowledged for his help during Hurricane Katrina, many speculated it was all a PR stunt because he brought his own photographer.
However, in spite of all that, a lot of people vehemently defend Penn simply because they believe he is a great actor. In my opinion, being such a disgraceful human outweighs whatever talent he has prentending he's other people. He's 50 years old, but he still behaves like a child. Just last year he faced more jail time for an altercation he had with a photographer.
One final thought is - also in my opinion - I think Penn is the most overrated actor of all-time. I usually get weird looks when I tell people this in real life because, being a bit of a film buff, people are surprised at that claim and always tell me I'm just letting my opinion of his psychotic personal life affect my opinion of him as an actor. But I'm serious. I'm not saying he's a bad actor. Just overrated. I laugh when I hear people call him the greatest actor of our generation. His style of acting is very over-the-top and melodramatic. He portrays extreme emotions very well, but I rarely see him acting "natural," which to me is the sign of a good dramatic actor. His characters always look like Sean Penn playing a character, like I can see right through his acting and in7ecstead see him going through the motions of reciting the words he memorized and adding emotion to it. I like to say he's on one end of the acting spectrum, with Spencer Tracy on the other - Tracy being a man who always looked so natural and subtle in his expression. Penn is the antithesis of natural and subtle.
R.I.P. Leslie Nielsen
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bishops64 — 15 years ago(January 17, 2011 10:29 AM)
Don't watch his movies or post messages on his message board if he sucks so bad. When I don't like someone I don't waste any time time on them. You've written a book practically on someone you clearly dislike, Why? Everything you've said is opinion, innuendo,rumor and gossip, you have not stated one fact. Opinions, rumors, etc, are not fact. Since you don't like/hate Sean Penn I wonder why you've made such an effort to tell us. Why wuld you even care enough to post a message. I like him I don' care whether you like him or not. Do yourself a favor move on, you'll feel better.
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Drebin31 — 15 years ago(January 17, 2011 05:38 PM)
bishops, I was trying to answer the original poster's question as comprehensively and intelligently as possible, without resorting to the normal shouting and "SEAN PENN SUCKS!" responses typical of IMDb. He asked why don't people like him, so I tried to include every reason I've ever heard (it's not my fault there's a lot - that's Sean's fault). Actors' message boards aren't only for fans. In fact, on this website most threads under any given actor or film tend to be negative. There's nothing wrong with that.
You said don't watch his movies and, for the most part, I don't. But I try to be a film buff, so it's inevitable that I'm going to come across some of Penn's movies as I learn more about the art and talk to people about it.
Everything you've said is opinion, innuendo,rumor and gossip, you have not stated one fact.
I acknowledged that some of what I said is opinion - particularly my last paragraph - but there's undeniably some facts in my post. It's not a rumor th5b4at Sean Penn was charged with a felony for domestic assault against his wife Madonna. That's well-documented. It's also fact that he was in prison for 33 days in 1987. And that he met Hugo Chavez in person. Why are you saying those aren't facts? Saying he's a bad person because of them is opinion, but their existence is fact.
R.I.P. Leslie Nielsen
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Emerald-S — 14 years ago(September 06, 2011 05:02 PM)
Well in possible contrast your being very reasonable I'll say this: paparazzi are scum, and if he beat the crap out of one I hope he did it good and proper. It's also rumoured that he caught a paparazzo in his hotel room and hung him out the window by his ankles nine floors up. Major respect.
As for the Socialist thing, that's nothing but a lot of right-wing beep Who gives a crap if he meets Hugo Chavez? If Hugo Chavez invited me over I'd more likely than not go and eat dinner with the man, so what? If he wasn't already a target of right-wing media outlets nobody'd care.
That said, if Sean Penn invited me over I'd probably think twice about it. Don't care about his personal history per se, and I enjoy a lot of his films but he seems quite dull or angry or something. Stupidly judging a man I never met, but there you go -
rfeni-1 — 9 years ago(June 30, 2016 10:09 AM)
"Everything you've said is opinion, innuendo,rumor and gossip"? So what? The question is "why don't people like Sean Penn?" opinion, rumor and gossip is reason enough. But the outcome of a criminal trial isn't "rumor" or "innuendo." I once read a story in "Movieline" (or maybe "Film Threat") in which the writer recounted that a boy was passing out sandwiches on the set of a Sean Penn film. When the artless lad failed to offer the tray to Penn's ASSISTANT before offering it to someone considered of less exalted station, Penn smashed the tray into the boy's face. This isn't "rumor," either, this is an eye witness account. Would you invite this guy to dinner? Work with him if you could avoid it?
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DirtyYoungBoy — 14 years ago(November 07, 2011 01:18 PM)
Aren't most celebrities like this? They make millions, star in movies, do photo shots, and get so much attention. Most celebrities are just like Sean Penn. There some celebrities that are good people but the truth is that the majority are just terrible peop238le. Personally I believe that a fan should like a celebrity based on there image. Unless you know them personally you shouldn't heavily judge them. You can only judge them a little. Besides no one ever truly knows what goes on. That's when propaganda kicks in. I'm not saying that propaganda is used on Sean Penn. I'm just trying to point out that I simple just don't know. All I do is stay home and watch his movies.
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tyrexden — 11 years ago(January 27, 2015 11:02 AM)
that illegal stuff he did, was in the 80s. Thats 30 years ago. I'm guessing he's a different man.
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bfk_94 — 15 years ago(January 17, 2011 03:44 PM)
I don't hate on his acting abilities, he's fantastic. But the guy is a dick. He takes himself too seriously, and can't take a joke. Matt Stone and Trey Parker made fun of him in the Team America movie and he was outraged. Complained about the movie, and wrote a letter in saying how they suck. He is, to my knowledge, the only person that complained about being made fun of in the movie. Even Matt Damon (who they made retarded and could only say his own name) thought it was funny! They guy needs to lighten up.