Isn't this some kind of weird capitalist cult?
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britishfella — 20 years ago(July 31, 2005 07:01 AM)
The way that Tony Robbins supporters will stand behind him to FANATICAL extents is actually what makes the whole business so scary.
I believe there are several Tony Robbins products that are considered essential: Personal Power, Get the Edge and Time of Your Life. Just between these programs, you're spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Then there's the books. Then, most scarily of all, there's the live seminar which can easily set you back four figures.
But people bite. Tony's got some good stuff to say but, as another poster pointed out, it's nothing that hasn't been said before. His re-packaging of NLP as 'NAC' should be evidence enough to most people that the guy's a first-rate marketeer. Here he is telling you how to improve your life, yet I'm willing to bet that 90% of people sit at home having spent hundreds of their hard-earned dollars on his product, listening to the tapes and getting a placebo effect. That's not value for money.
There are no 'hidden secrets' with Robbins. As the other poster said, it's all about exercise, reading, working hard, altering your diet, financial management. You don't need to worship Tony Robbins to make your life better.
It's unbelievable how some people are so suckered in. This isn't meant to be entirely disparaging about RobbinsI think people will find Awaken the Giant Within a good and rewarding read, but that's really all they'll ever need. If you start forking out extra dollars for that damn 'green drink' stuff (from a Tony Robbins company I believe), then you know you've been suckered. -
white_rose1382 — 20 years ago(August 27, 2005 10:50 PM)
First let me say that people defend him because his stuff really works. Yesthere are the fanatics but they are a small percentage of the people who jsut liked what he showed them. Are you really going to study this stuff on your own? Like i sid in a previous post, some people just need to hear it in person. Have you even been to one of the live events? I promiseif you actually go to one, you will not feel as though you wasted your money. I have been to one. It takes everything he says in his books and in his tapes to a whole new level. yes it costs a lot of money but you have no idea what it costs him to put on the seminars. He doesn't spare any expense. When I was there he gave us all a bottle of Penta water, among other things in a gift bag. Do you have any idea how much it costs? $2.50 out herea bottle. There were over 2500 people to the seminar in LA I went to. Thats not even goign into the work books, the water bottle and other gifts he gave us.
As for the green drink. He recommends his because he had his hand in the making of it. He owns Twin Labs ( the vitamin company) and wants to make sure the product is quality. It costs about the same as any other powdered green drink. i don't use his cuz I can't wait for it to come in the mail so I buy one at the health food store. Doesn't make me a fanatic either.
It's ok to believe what someone says when it makes sense. AS you said before, you like what he has to say. People might read or listen to it but the experience might be what you need to put things into motion. Soem people are like that. I was one of them. He sent my family a copy of both his programs and the seminar for free. ( I won't say how because that is between me and the wall) I came back a better person. He started the weekend off with getting us to walk on hot coals. From then on it amazing! He didn't say "I am going ot make you walk on coals" he said "someone taught me this and I think it is an amazing testiment to what you can do when you put your mind to something. Try itif you can do itthen tell what your limits are."
Have you ever walked on coals? Does it make me a fanatic that I did and did not get butned? yesthere are the weirdos but some of us genuinely appriciate his research. -
IvanAtlas — 17 years ago(August 16, 2008 07:11 PM)
jameshouston asked the following question :
Why do Americans seem to fall for the most patronising
individuals going?
I'm sure no european has ever purchased a Tony Robbins book, CD, DVD, or better yet, attended one of his seminars. No, only Americans buy or fall for such things.
I've got news for you. You are wrong, you jealous, Euro-trash filth. -
NCurran1987 — 20 years ago(December 30, 2005 08:05 PM)
I like his stuff. I mean im not his biggest fan or anything he's a bit chessy and repetitive but the man makes a lot of good points. He has repackaged a lot of stuff thats been there since biblical times like everyone else has yes. But he does it in a way that really inspires you. You can say be strong and happy in a second. But the way he does it you actually believe it applies to you. Not some other person he's talking to elsewhere but you. I took a big leap of faith using his stuff. He was very inspirational in the way he presented the information the way others arent. He really made me wanna get up of my arse and do something with my life. Sure theres better principles elsewhere sure it could be cheaper elsewhere sure its repackaged but hey you know what no one does it as good as tony does. He makes you feel like you can do it while others just tell you you can (not that others cant make you FEEL it to but tonys just better at it if not a little (well, very) chessy)
Btw I cant wait for new year to start my life up again and start exercising body and mind in a massive way once more. (well first time for the mind as some people have probably guessed but its the second big one for the body. Gonna start running 8 miles a day baby)
Frank To Harmonica: Keep your loving brother Happy
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photobackflip — 20 years ago(January 03, 2006 12:47 AM)
to all those who say bad things about tony, in the end he has more money than you or me, from saying all these so-called stupid things.
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i dont see your name on imdb?
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when was the last time you were on tv?
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what year did you make your first million?
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you might think he's talking aload of beep
but wouldn't you for the money he gets.
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NCurran1987 — 20 years ago(January 03, 2006 04:54 PM)
And of course if it didnt work people wouldnt buy his stuff twice and personal power wouldnt have sold something like 50 million copies
Frank To Harmonica: Keep your loving brother Happy
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RalphFilthy — 19 years ago(October 13, 2006 07:52 PM)
And of course if it didnt work people wouldnt buy his stuff twice and personal power wouldnt have sold something like 50 million copies
The idiocy of the general public should never be underestimated. As an example, in
my lifetime the American public have voted in as President Ronnie Regan, George
Bush, and George W Bush (twice!)
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lilsnapdragon — 19 years ago(November 06, 2006 08:48 PM)
I don't think that's a very good rationale. Just because something sells well doesn't mean it works. Products like Slim Fast, Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers have been selling very well for a very long time, but the US still has the highest percentage of obese people in the world. If those products really, truly worked, everyone would be thin.
Also, the sales of his products, or any products that promise drastic life changes, are not an indication of their effectiveness. Someone may buy his books, read them, get motivated and have the best of intentions to change their life, and then a month later, they're right back where they were with their bad habits while those books sit on a shelf collecting dust. Whether the person puts them to work or not is irrelevant to Tony Robbins, Slim Fast, etc. They've already made their money.
People are always looking for the quick fix. They want to take a pill or drink a shake or read a book or watch a video and immediately afterward be thin, beautiful and rich. The only way any of those things come aboutother than being born with good genes and/or a trust fundis through hard work and dedication. Unfortunately, most of us are too lazy to do what it takes.
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britishfella — 19 years ago(January 10, 2007 05:34 AM)
Quite right, Lilsnapdragon.
There is always one monstrous little disclaimer with Robbins and any other self-help guru: that ultimately it is down to YOU to take action.
No kiddin'!
It is the cheapest get-out clause in existence. You can spend $1000 on a Robbins seminar and then, thre111ce months later, complain you haven't lost any of the weight you had hoped for. Of course, the Robbins fanatics will point out that is down to your own lack of actionand that is true. But how is that any different from me telling you to "eat less and exercise more" and you not following through? Simple answer is $1000and for that price (and that hype) you'd expect compelling results.
Robbins feeds people what they need a big, chunky placebo. An easy way to bury their heads in the sand. The belief that there problems are nailed or will be nailed, simply because they have allowed Tony into their lives.
There is some merit in the self-improvement industry; an awareness of goals, planning and the virtues of traits such as persistence. But you can find all that out for free by downloading Napoleon Hill's book (a lot of which is junk, a lot of which is valuable). I'm not a big fan of NLP, but I think Bandler got it right when he suggested that Robbins "would have a bookshelf with 99 books on marketing, and one book on NLP". -
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coye — 20 years ago(January 04, 2006 11:26 PM)
To Photobackflip, its sad when someone measures a great man by his wealth, especially when this wealth is made from milking desperate people.
As for your questions:
i dont see your name on imdb? I, like others, are on IMDB but it would be foolish to use our actual names as it would make it difficult to slander individuals such as yourself.
when was the last time you were on tv? A couple of months ago, but big deal! TV isnt that important, and its the industry Im in.
what year did you make your first million? I havent but its not a goal (Doesnt Tony speak about true success not being about money???).
you might think he's talking aload of beep
but wouldn't you for the money he gets.
You are really not selling your point very well now you're saying people should do whatever they can to make a buck. No, I would not sell easy answers to deperate people to make a living.
i think your all jelous.
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anonymouse007 — 20 years ago(January 09, 2006 11:17 PM)
You make a lot of generalizations (ALL his wealth generated from desperate people?), and you seem to be going out of your way to attack TR. Seems like you have some other agenda - it's like TR offended you in some cruel way - lol.
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nikzane — 20 years ago(February 20, 2006 02:48 AM)
For aeons (that's a long time), humans have sought guidance from all manner of entities; flesh, spirit, animal, mineral vegetable. Millions of people world-wide today do so by worshipping deities of all shapes and sizes, regardless of any real proof of any existence of these god-figures - because they need guidance, for whatever reason. And we all accept this as normal. In fact many, if not most cultures develop and run whole societies based on the beliefs and ideals of these largely fictional beings.
So given that, what's so strange about a few thousand people seeking guidance from a real-life, mortal human-man, whose existence can be proved?
The point here is not to intrinsically compare Anthony Robbins to God, Jesus, Bhudda, or anyone else, but to illustrate how humans inherently seek and desire the guidance of others in times of need, no matter how bizarre or foreign the source of that guidance may be, and have done so for a very, very long time.
More importantly however, and more to the point, who really cares where one finds guidance? If it works, more power to you. If it's not for you, move on and find something that does work.
I'm not religious, but I'm happy for people who find peace in God. Anthony Robbins seems like a decent fellow, with a lot of good things to say. For those that bene5b4fit from it, good for you! Good advice is still good advice no matter how many times it has been said, or by whom.
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gd5150 — 20 years ago(February 27, 2006 02:35 PM)
Theres nothing scary about what TR teaches. He doesn't force anyone to do anything they dont want to do. There is nothing religious in his teachings as he spefically states people are free to worship who they want or not at all. But he does acknowlege the power faith can have in someones life. He simply gives people tools to help identify their goals, and help them achieve them. These tools can be used in any aspect of life from career, to finances, to losing weight, to going to school. They can work for anything.
Whats wrong with that?
He has adviced doezens of world leaders, professional athletes, the top business people in the world. I'm sure these people know a bit more about what it takes to succeed, than the ignoramouses on this board that saw part of his infomercial between playing video games and watching the Dailey show.