Isn't this some kind of weird capitalist cult?
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NCurran1987 — 20 years ago(January 03, 2006 04:54 PM)
And of course if it didnt work people wouldnt buy his stuff twice and personal power wouldnt have sold something like 50 million copies
Frank To Harmonica: Keep your loving brother Happy
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RalphFilthy — 19 years ago(October 13, 2006 07:52 PM)
And of course if it didnt work people wouldnt buy his stuff twice and personal power wouldnt have sold something like 50 million copies
The idiocy of the general public should never be underestimated. As an example, in
my lifetime the American public have voted in as President Ronnie Regan, George
Bush, and George W Bush (twice!)
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lilsnapdragon — 19 years ago(November 06, 2006 08:48 PM)
I don't think that's a very good rationale. Just because something sells well doesn't mean it works. Products like Slim Fast, Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers have been selling very well for a very long time, but the US still has the highest percentage of obese people in the world. If those products really, truly worked, everyone would be thin.
Also, the sales of his products, or any products that promise drastic life changes, are not an indication of their effectiveness. Someone may buy his books, read them, get motivated and have the best of intentions to change their life, and then a month later, they're right back where they were with their bad habits while those books sit on a shelf collecting dust. Whether the person puts them to work or not is irrelevant to Tony Robbins, Slim Fast, etc. They've already made their money.
People are always looking for the quick fix. They want to take a pill or drink a shake or read a book or watch a video and immediately afterward be thin, beautiful and rich. The only way any of those things come aboutother than being born with good genes and/or a trust fundis through hard work and dedication. Unfortunately, most of us are too lazy to do what it takes.
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britishfella — 19 years ago(January 10, 2007 05:34 AM)
Quite right, Lilsnapdragon.
There is always one monstrous little disclaimer with Robbins and any other self-help guru: that ultimately it is down to YOU to take action.
No kiddin'!
It is the cheapest get-out clause in existence. You can spend $1000 on a Robbins seminar and then, thre111ce months later, complain you haven't lost any of the weight you had hoped for. Of course, the Robbins fanatics will point out that is down to your own lack of actionand that is true. But how is that any different from me telling you to "eat less and exercise more" and you not following through? Simple answer is $1000and for that price (and that hype) you'd expect compelling results.
Robbins feeds people what they need a big, chunky placebo. An easy way to bury their heads in the sand. The belief that there problems are nailed or will be nailed, simply because they have allowed Tony into their lives.
There is some merit in the self-improvement industry; an awareness of goals, planning and the virtues of traits such as persistence. But you can find all that out for free by downloading Napoleon Hill's book (a lot of which is junk, a lot of which is valuable). I'm not a big fan of NLP, but I think Bandler got it right when he suggested that Robbins "would have a bookshelf with 99 books on marketing, and one book on NLP". -
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coye — 20 years ago(January 04, 2006 11:26 PM)
To Photobackflip, its sad when someone measures a great man by his wealth, especially when this wealth is made from milking desperate people.
As for your questions:
i dont see your name on imdb? I, like others, are on IMDB but it would be foolish to use our actual names as it would make it difficult to slander individuals such as yourself.
when was the last time you were on tv? A couple of months ago, but big deal! TV isnt that important, and its the industry Im in.
what year did you make your first million? I havent but its not a goal (Doesnt Tony speak about true success not being about money???).
you might think he's talking aload of beep
but wouldn't you for the money he gets.
You are really not selling your point very well now you're saying people should do whatever they can to make a buck. No, I would not sell easy answers to deperate people to make a living.
i think your all jelous.
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anonymouse007 — 20 years ago(January 09, 2006 11:17 PM)
You make a lot of generalizations (ALL his wealth generated from desperate people?), and you seem to be going out of your way to attack TR. Seems like you have some other agenda - it's like TR offended you in some cruel way - lol.
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nikzane — 20 years ago(February 20, 2006 02:48 AM)
For aeons (that's a long time), humans have sought guidance from all manner of entities; flesh, spirit, animal, mineral vegetable. Millions of people world-wide today do so by worshipping deities of all shapes and sizes, regardless of any real proof of any existence of these god-figures - because they need guidance, for whatever reason. And we all accept this as normal. In fact many, if not most cultures develop and run whole societies based on the beliefs and ideals of these largely fictional beings.
So given that, what's so strange about a few thousand people seeking guidance from a real-life, mortal human-man, whose existence can be proved?
The point here is not to intrinsically compare Anthony Robbins to God, Jesus, Bhudda, or anyone else, but to illustrate how humans inherently seek and desire the guidance of others in times of need, no matter how bizarre or foreign the source of that guidance may be, and have done so for a very, very long time.
More importantly however, and more to the point, who really cares where one finds guidance? If it works, more power to you. If it's not for you, move on and find something that does work.
I'm not religious, but I'm happy for people who find peace in God. Anthony Robbins seems like a decent fellow, with a lot of good things to say. For those that bene5b4fit from it, good for you! Good advice is still good advice no matter how many times it has been said, or by whom.
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gd5150 — 20 years ago(February 27, 2006 02:35 PM)
Theres nothing scary about what TR teaches. He doesn't force anyone to do anything they dont want to do. There is nothing religious in his teachings as he spefically states people are free to worship who they want or not at all. But he does acknowlege the power faith can have in someones life. He simply gives people tools to help identify their goals, and help them achieve them. These tools can be used in any aspect of life from career, to finances, to losing weight, to going to school. They can work for anything.
Whats wrong with that?
He has adviced doezens of world leaders, professional athletes, the top business people in the world. I'm sure these people know a bit more about what it takes to succeed, than the ignoramouses on this board that saw part of his infomercial between playing video games and watching the Dailey show. -
m_vion18-1 — 20 years ago(March 25, 2006 11:22 PM)
Geez, get off it.
I have listened to a couple of his Cds, and it IS an absolute joke!
TR sure made a lot of money telling "jokes." In fact, he'll be happy to hear that his CDs are both useful and funny.
His material might be too complicated for you, but here's a simple rule to remember:- if something is useful to you, use it
- if something is useless to you, forget it
In this case, TR's materials are useless to you, so why not walk away and stop wasting your time on him? Of course, first you should finish letting out your steam whine and bash to your heart's content. Don't get too jealous of his success, fame, money, let it all out. You need to live with the fact that he is better than you.
But WAIT, here's an idea for you: if TR's "jokes" can fool so many people and make him so much money, fame, and fans, why don't you find and publish a real advice? I'm serious, one "real" advice should be able to beat the "absolute jokes" that have somehow earned TR millions, right? Good luck and tell us how it goes
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tommyuk — 19 years ago(April 19, 2006 08:09 PM)
Well there is nothing wrong with what he is saying.It's just a motivational tool but motivation comes from inside.Even if you buy his stuff (and it's not cheap) you still have find it inside yourself.I guess he could work for some people but I bet he doesn't work for everybody.
On the infomercial it shows how rich and succesfull everyone is through his programme but there are plenty of rich and successfull people who didn't use his tapes.
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DaveLounderMotionPictures — 14 years ago(June 07, 2011 10:20 PM)
Dear Caliass, LOVE IT!!! You hit the proverbial nail SQUARE on the head!!! Thanks for saying what DESPERATELY NEEDED to be said!!! Dave Lounder (btw, that's my real name, and I'm on IMDb, for real!)
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caliass — 13 years ago(March 03, 2013 09:55 PM)
Thank you mr. Dave Lounder!
I regret that I am turning into an old person by writng that missive, but there is a multitude of idiots out there. I wrote that after having a bad day at college. I went back after a bunch of dead end jobs, and that day I realized even though I did not have much of an education, these idiots can't spell, have no critical thinking skills, and think the world owes them a pass. I was in a very basic class and the utter stupidity was very well displayed. I was drifting off into la la land thinking that if I could just smack a few of them the world would be better off. Again Thank you! -
JERSEYKID75 — 19 years ago(May 16, 2006 07:37 AM)
I got into his stuff about 6 years ago for about 1 1/2 years when I was right out of college, insecure and just need guidence. His material gives you a false sense of reality. I would read a chapter about how he did all this stuff and was rich within 1 year and he coached this person and that person and I would feel like I could conquer the world, then about 1 day later it was almost like I was back to reality and realized his stuff is mostly fluff.
It's almost like watching "Rocky" and believeing while your watching it you could probably beat Mike Tyson if you did all that stuff, then the movie is over and your realize you're a white kid from the suburbs and it was just a movie.
Some of Tony's stuff still sticks, but it was nothing that he really ever discoved or invented, it is just something that he learned how to "present" well and charge a huge sum of money to get it.
Let me just clear one thing up for all the Tony Robbins fans, don't go out of your way to brag about him, or even say you use his material because p111ceople will always look at you like you have a few screws loose. Most people view him as a infomercial hack. -
britishfella — 19 years ago(May 16, 2006 03:21 PM)
Some great points made there, JerseyKid.
Not so long ago, I decided to listen to his tapes on Get the Edge. I found Robbins to be hugely charismatic, infectiously enthusiastic and spelling out a lot of good common sense. But then again, he also produced some utter rubbish (listen to his CD on health - he talks about measuring energy in foods using MHz!). He also made the hard sell on a lot of peripheral products, like green drinks, other tape courses and seminars (politely giving out the numbers to call).
Now, I felt like this was a placebo effect (as JerseyKid intimated from his own experience). Yeah, he pumps you up and tells you that you can fly to the moon or earn a million dollars or be different than everybody else. But how much of it really resonates? How much of it is useful?
I decided to go to Tony's offical site and check out the forums, particularly the Goal-Setting and success message boards. What struck me was how 99% of the threads started were ALL about the bluster and enthusiasm, e.g. "Yeah, this is what I'm going to do. I'm so connected to my drive right now.". But I was amazed at how little follow-up there was! Very few people said "Yeah, I actually DID this", or posted proper success stories with details of what they did and how they did it. It just seems to be one big cheerleading forum.
The experience at the forum was the real kicker for me. These are Tony's most devoted followers, yet there was a stunningly obvious dearth of anecdotal evidence. These same people would be on other threads TELLING other people what product sets to buy, in what order. It's as though anyone who has listened to a Tony course becomes a self-appointed mentor. It's laughable.
Anyway, I agree with an earlier poster. Ultimately it ALWAYS comes down to inner motivation. Tony Robbins may be able to help you strap on those trainers and go for a light jog, but the real question is whether you will be able to keep this up for the weeks and months and years ahead. In most cases, I doubt it. All of the stuff Tony provides is stuff me or anybody else could tell you for freewe may no2000t be able to convey it in quite the same charistmatic manner, but the information would still be as valid.
Personal motivation is exactly that - a very personal phenomenon. I think it's something that you can only contrive yourself, not through any third parties who have never met you. Maybe you are just desperate enough to turn to Tony, which is a surefire sign that SOME motivation to change your life is already there. But is that the be-all-and-end-all? Nope. One day things will turn for you, but only because YOU have snapped and seen the light - not because you followed a "Rapid Planning Action Method Tool Thingy". -
JERSEYKID75 — 19 years ago(May 18, 2006 09:22 AM)
Britishfella,
I totally agree with what you mentioned about Tony's website. I noticed one time 4 years ago about three members/followers of his site created a "Millionaires Aspiration Club" and their main goal was to become a millionaire just like Tony did in one year. I though those guys were just nuts. Well, I was checking out the reviews for his book "Awaken the Giant Within" on Amazon.com about 2 years later and I was really only interested in the negative reviews. One review was from a women that hated Tony for ruining her former fiance's life. He became a gambleholic and quit his job because he awakened the giant within. Suffice to say they split up, he is broke and in dept and it was all because of Tony's influence and a club he formed online as a member called "Millionaire's Aspiration Club". I couldn't believe it when I read it.
I don't think Tony is full of BS. He does say you need to put forth the effort. He doesn't promise to make you a millionaire by just reading his book and that's it. There are just 3 things I began to notice that I couldn't ignore anymore
1 - His material became like a drug.I could only feel good when I was listening to him. He becomes a cult leader to his hardcore fans
2 - If he loves all his fans like "Friends", why does he constantly promote his high priced seminars that are ridiculously over priced.
3- He praised Becky like she was the angel that escaped from Heaven, and next thing I know, he dating a blong half his age. What a hypocrite.