Whedon vs. Abrams
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Franco_Zed — 10 years ago(June 23, 2015 12:58 PM)
"I don't think taking or leaving those aspects out or in would have that much of impact on the quality of the show."
It's interesting to get someone else's mixed feelings about Firefly. I totally agree with your statement above, but my problem with those 3 aspects was not a quality issue at all. I see this as an issue of audience perception or expectations. Upon my first watch, I found the Western aspects, including the theme song, to be a little alienating. I think this may have been the case for a significant portion of casual viewers and Buffy fans. I may be wrong about that. (As for the Chinese, I liked that right away, but I'm guessing that it would have come across as VERY strange to casual viewers.)
"Oh and based on Serenity alone I'm picking Joss. JJ has yet to make a great movie."
Interesting. Now that you mention it, my feeling is that JJ repeatedly falls short (or
just
short) of greatness. I loved Super 8, but I think I've liked most of Joss' movies better.
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BigBadDolemite — 10 years ago(June 23, 2015 06:33 PM)
Interesting. Now that you mention it, my feeling is that JJ repeatedly falls short (or just short) of greatness. I loved Super 8, but I think I've liked most of Joss' movies better.
definitively agree with this. All his movies are decent to good that I've seen. He just hasn't made a great one yet. Hopefully Star Wars will be his first. -
Franco_Zed — 10 years ago(June 23, 2015 06:39 PM)
"Hopefully Star Wars will be his first."
I was thinking that too. I meant to mention it in my previous post, but forgot.
I hope I'm not wrong about this, but I have a very strong feeling that SW7 will be much better than the prequels.
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poem — 12 years ago(June 28, 2013 03:39 PM)
Cant say much about Abrams.
I only watched his Star Trek movie, and I absolutely hate it with a passion. Awful in every respect except for the most of1c84 the actors, which are actually excellent, except the one for Kirk, the maybe worst overacted character I've ever seen anywhere. And I guess I might actually have liked the flashy effects if the story and dialogues would have been worth anything.
About the dialogue, just check out the "memorable quotes" page here at IMDB for that movie. The only actually somewhat original, actually memorable quotes there are these original Star Trek quotes like "I'm a doctor, not a physicist!" from Bones or Spocks typical "Fascinating" etc. Otherwise a lot of stupid dialogue that is anything but memorable. No good jokes or oneliners anywhere.
Havent watched anything else from Abrams, so
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pgfan92 — 11 years ago(December 01, 2014 09:03 AM)
The only actually somewhat original, actually memorable quotes there are these original Star Trek quotes like "I'm a doctor, not a physicist!" from Bones or Spocks typical "Fascinating" etc.
He's certainly a better writer than you are. -
pgfan92 — 10 years ago(May 07, 2015 12:40 PM)
You are somewhat correct. There is no connection between talent and criticism skills, true. It is in communicating criticism to others where writing becomes important. However, reading your original post now, I don't understand my original intent in criticizing your writing ability, your writing is clear and effective. I must have a few beers in me. I apologize for the uncalled for insult.
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swecritic — 12 years ago(August 05, 2013 01:50 PM)
Well, lets compare things they made pretty the same time in life:
Wrote some bad films < Titan AE, Toy Story and such
Armageddon = Alien 4
Felicity < Buffy
Alias < Firefly
Mission Impossible III > Angel (Making a huge blockbuster, even though it is worse than Angel in entertainment quality, I think it is a statement of status)
Lost > Serenity Movie
Fringe > Dollhouse
Cloverfield + first Star Trek > Cabin In The Woods (only wrote script)
Super 8 >5b4 He did not really do anything, was preperaing for Avengers flick
Alcatraz-series < Avengers-movie
Star Trek II > Much Ado About Nothing
Person of interest, Revolution ? Avengers-Tv series If i may guess probably whedon but lets leave it unsaid
Star Wars 7 > Avengers II (yeah, Avengers might be great comic-adaption, but getting the honor to direct Star Wars wins.
Overall its pretty tight, but in total: 3p advantage to Abrams (7-4).
However if you would have asked the same thing before Lost, Whedon would have kicked Abrams as. Avengers and his latest film is on the right track. But that dry period from ~2005-2011, there is really no competition. Abrams been more productive and creative during those years.
You could flip-flop the comparisons, but I find the conclusion the same:
Whedon better before 2005
Abrams better until 2011
Pretty much equal 2012-2013
And I guess the fair decider would be SW7 vs Avenger 2.
Currently, by a small margin, I find Abrams better. Mostly due to the dry-period of Mr Whedon during the 2005-2011 period.
I know this is a Whedon board. And there is a lot of his fans here. I like both, and this is my way to look on it! -
Darwinskid — 12 years ago(August 18, 2013 07:20 PM)
I really like both I think I'll have to go with Whedon because he comes off like his own person and takes more time to deliver a more worthwhile project. Abrams these days seems to be trying to channel Spielberg as much as possible. I don't think we would see a show like Alias or Felicity from him in this day and age, it's all about being big with him. Oh, and lots of lens flares to boot.
I have an u2000nbelievably long ignore list.