I really don’t think she was crazy at all. I think she was an abused person…
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I love hutch — 4 years ago(December 13, 2021 01:37 AM)
I can't stand Tyra Lee. Have you ever heard the audio tape where the police get Tyra to trick Aileen into confessing to the murders? Oh my God it makes me sick to my stomach. There is a moment where Aileen says to Tyra "I Love You" and she is crying when she says and I believe it's because she is beginning to figure out that Tyra has totally screwed her over and that she never did care for her. The way Aileen says those words is absolutely heartbreaking and how horrifyingly unfair it would have been to think all your life
"Why does everybody hate me?"
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That's the stuff of genuine tragedy. I'll cut right to it and just call her a martyr.
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J-Curl-BiggernBlacker — 4 years ago(December 15, 2021 03:57 AM)
God, that is a horrifying thought and I’ve been there. Aileen obviously didn’t have the means to get therapy or really even pick up a self help book-Aileen’s upbringing was as primitive as you can get in a horribly Capatalistic environment.
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ToastedCheese — 4 years ago(December 15, 2021 08:48 AM)
Aileen’s upbringing was as primitive as you can get in a horribly Capatalistic environment.
It sounds like a deal was made then with Tyra/Lee to nab Wuornos in return for her being exonerated.
Aileen wasn't even given a fair chance by law-enforcement or the legal system. It appears she was just hated and scorned with unbridled malice, contempt and prejudice from all facets and that was the story of her "entire" life.
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I love hutch — 4 years ago(December 21, 2021 10:51 PM)
While she is considered a serial killer due to her offing several men, her profile doesn't neatly fit into the psychological traits of the typical serial killer type either.
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Yes. I have always thought that it was a complete misnomer to categorize Aileen as a serial killer, due mostly to the fact that Aileen derived no sadistic pleasure from her killings. She wasn't methodical in her killings, she collected no gruesome "trophies" from her victims, like you said. It was based on a combination of rage and a wounded animal's fear instincts kicking in. She saw mankind as her natural enemy and you can't blame her for that. The fact that she profited off her victims almost feels like an afterthought.
I need to read an article looking at the differences between psychopathy and sociopathy. Maybe Jeffrey Dahmer would have been a psychopath and Ted Bundy a sociopath?
I don't believe that Aileen was narcissistic, either. Not even close. In fact, what is referred to as "healthy narcissism" is something that Aileen could have benefitted greatly from. But with her unforgivably cruel upbringing, that was not going to happen. She obviously had no grandiose thinking.
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ToastedCheese — 4 years ago(December 22, 2021 12:09 AM)
If you haven't seen this clip, it is worth watching for the explanations. I'd say both Bundy and Dahmer were narcissistic and that would lead straight down into the psychopathic route.
Not all narcissists are psychopaths, but all psychopaths are narcissistic.
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I love hutch — 4 years ago(December 22, 2021 07:41 AM)
I enjoyed listening to her explain all that. And I never did think that AW was a psychopath. But definitely anti-social and this other doctor said that Aileen was probably borderline and he said that she mostly likely also had Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which surprised me. I thought NPDs would have these huge, inflated egos. I guess not necessarily. This other male doctor (I am going to post a link to him soon as he does all these 18 minute long analyses of serial killers and he is very interesting.) Though this Dr. Todd Grande also says that AW lacked empathy and I don't know if I would agree with him on this. I think maybe she just got to a point where she was past caring. She seemed like a highly emotional person. I don't think she lacked empathy. What do you think here?
But this was interesting. Thank you for sharing the link. Now I wonder what the main difference between a psychopath and a psychotic is. Surely Jeffrey Dahmer was both.
I always thought of Ted Bundy as being like a great white shark. Just a merciless predator. Very scary man.
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ToastedCheese — 4 years ago(December 15, 2021 08:58 AM)
Aileen had no one in her corner.
This has made me wonder what it must've felt like to be around Aileen. She must have triggered many people almost instantly, into a state of projected scorn and hate and ridicule without them even knowing her story.
Her anger and hatred must've been palpable.
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I love hutch — 4 years ago(December 15, 2021 04:51 PM)
Yeah, I've that about before myself. I hate to say it, but it's likely.
Of course, this wouldn't have been the case when she 9 years old and having sex with neighborhood boys in exchange for cigarettes. Why wasn't anybody watching her?
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ToastedCheese — 4 years ago(December 15, 2021 11:56 PM)
Of course, this wouldn't have been the case when she 9 years old and having sex with neighborhood boys in exchange for cigarettes. Why wasn't anybody watching her?
Nobody even cared then and this is very much likely when all the contempt began to seep in. For Aileen, she would have seen what she could use to get some things she wanted, but my, how absolutely devastating for this kid to have to go down this track with other local kids that used her.
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ToastedCheese — 4 years ago(December 15, 2021 08:59 AM)
I think she was unwell mentally they also should have not killed her
She was like a wild animal that couldn't ever be tamed.
For Aileen, her death by lethal injection was perhaps a release for her. She apparently claimed as such prior to her execution.
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American Idols — 4 years ago(December 15, 2021 08:09 PM)
That's possibly the saddest prison inmate story I've ever seen!!
I saw one of a young black man who got sentenced to life when he was a teenager.
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ToastedCheese — 4 years ago(December 16, 2021 12:25 AM)
Aileen had been incarcerated for over a decade awaiting her execution. In this clip towards her end, she had found some resolution for her actions and got some religion. That is specious within itself yes and can endorse a lack of rational saneness in some, yet considering her circumstance, this is perhaps a moot point regarding the religious aspect.
How she would have been prior, was more about being a survivalist and an opportunist in the most base manner, yet that was only spurned on by her hate and anger.
She knew what she was capable of and to know this within oneself, must not only be a terrifying thing to confront, but also a courageous one from her circumstantial perspective. Aileen had had enough and was ready to die.
If that makes her insane, then so be it. Personally, I just feel it makes her as clean as she could make herself within her own tools and means at her disposal. She wasn't that sharp a tack, but she still had an instinctual intelligence.
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ToastedCheese — 4 years ago(December 21, 2021 08:30 PM)
She couldn’t really be trusted due to the number of kills she did. She did claim self defence for her first kill and the movie depicted her as being sexually violated.
Is this truth though? Regardless, she still did what she did due to how men had treated her. It was some sort of warped catharsis for her.
Norman! What did you put in my tea?