Kirstie Alley should have returned as Savvik
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(August 06, 2016 04:45 AM)
Alleys reveals why she didn't do III:
http://trekmovie.com/2016/08/06/kirstie-alleys-convention-debut-a-huge-success -
!!!deleted!!! (9347176) — 9 years ago(August 08, 2016 06:57 AM)
Did she, though? Her first response was "I don't know," then goes on to mention she was offered less money for a role that was described to her as larger. Sounds like it was just about the $$$, which is no great revelation on her part. That info has been out there for a long time.
I think it was more interesting to know that this year was her first con appearance.
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monstermayhem32 — 12 years ago(May 20, 2013 03:35 PM)
In the case of Kristie Alley not returning some say it was because she didn't want to be typecast. In other cases it was her agent who mispresented her and wanted too much money.however I think Kristie did want to come back.
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bozo_500 — 12 years ago(May 21, 2013 01:59 AM)
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Saavik
-thats a lengthly article so i'll summerise:
basically meyer wanted Kim catrell as Savvik in II but she was unavailable so Alley got the part.. then for III her agent demanded too much $ (more than De Kelly apparently) so R Curtis was cast..then for VI Meyer wanted Alley back as Savvik as he didnt dig Curtis in the role but she was too expensive due to Cheers, Look Whos Talking etc so Catrell got the new role of Valeris..then there was the TNG episode Cause and Effect where the producers wanted Alley as Savvik to stand alongside fellow Cheers star Kesley Grammer at the end but again the $ werent enough
i guess ideally the smokin 80s Catrell couldve been Savvik throughout II, III, IV and VI.
but then Alley shouldve really come back for III, IV and then VI
but since things happened the way they did and Alley didnt return, maybe they shouldve just cast R Curtis as Savvik in VI instead of creating a new character (wouldve been cool had Alley done it - tying in with TWOK and all, but seems abit harsh not wanting Curtis there since she had taken over and since VI was bookending the Genesis 'trilogy' and it was her version of Savvik that witnessed Davids death at the hands of the klingons which wouldve been the ideal reason for savvik turning traitor - anyway audiences wouldve been abit like 'eh WTF? Alleys back as Savvik?') -
porfle — 12 years ago(September 29, 2013 11:57 PM)
I'm glad the Saavik character didn't return in VI. I like her too much to see her turn traitor like Valeris.
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TheSolarSailor — 12 years ago(November 26, 2013 11:23 AM)
I didn't like her personality much, but she did seem spot on for a Vulcan.
That's a part of the problemshe is TOO Vulcan. It is well known that Saavik was supposed to be half Vulcan/half Romulan in Star Trek II. The reference to this was filmed, but deleted for whatever reason. regardless of the deleted reference, Kirstie played the character with that in mind, hence the reason she curses when the Klingon trap is revealed during the Kobyashi Maru test, or why she sheds a tear at Spock's funeral. She has those small moments that show her struggle to control her emotions. That element is what gave Kirstie's performance as Saavik a spark of life and makes her a fan favorite. When Robin Curtis took on the role, they ignored the half Vulcan/half Romulan aspect of the character and thus Curtis was instructed to play the role as full Vulcan. The result was a jarring change from an interesting Saavik to a rather bland Saavik.
Trek III can ignore the line about Saavik being a half-blood due to it being cut from Trek II all it wants, but you really can't ignore all the small nuances to the character as played by Alley that was there as a result of the deleted line. In the end, the line NEVER should have been deleted from Trek II to begin with.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
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bjlevine — 12 years ago(November 26, 2013 11:33 AM)
Exactly. Lots of little nuances to Alley's performance. I love when Kirk finally explains how he beat the Kobayashi Maru test, and she goes non sequiter. Not beating the test was sticking in her craw and she's totally thrown for a loop when Kirk explains his "solution". I think the Curtis Saavik would have been coldly indignant.
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isbabo — 9 years ago(August 28, 2016 10:32 PM)
I agree.
I know the reasons why she didn't have been discussed to death over the last 30 years, but at the end of the day, her Saavik was great, and missed later on.
I can imagine the character played by Alley in later films and TNG (though perhaps that would justify her fear of being typecast). Still, a loss to the series, especially to the Genesis trilogy. -
monstermayhem32 — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 10:11 PM)
Even thou robin Curtis did a decent job and I felt really bad for her when she wanted to return for undiscovered country but nick Meyer didn't like her version when Kirstie alley refused because of her cheer commitments. However I did like Kirstie version and would be been interesting to see how she would have reacted to David's death,