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Kirstie Alley should have returned as Savvik

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    porfle — 12 years ago(September 29, 2013 11:57 PM)

    I'm glad the Saavik character didn't return in VI. I like her too much to see her turn traitor like Valeris.
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      dragonstephen-1 — 12 years ago(June 12, 2013 05:00 AM)

      didn't Kirstie start Cheers when they made star trek III?
      "sticks and stones may brake my bones but whips , chains, leather and tight pvc excite me"

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        bjlevine — 12 years ago(June 12, 2013 12:43 PM)

        She didn't join Cheers until 3 years later. But she was in that incredibly awesome movie with Tom Selleck and Gene Simmons!
        "Oh nothey sent the wrong Spock!"

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          jcallows — 12 years ago(September 09, 2013 06:16 PM)

          Saavik had a big part in Star Trek III. And Robin Curtis ruined it.

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            bjlevine — 12 years ago(September 10, 2013 09:27 AM)

            Not sure if you can blame Curtis or if Nimoy was responsible. But the character certainly lost all of her humor.
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              audiosane — 12 years ago(October 19, 2013 03:45 AM)

              I didn't like her personality much, but she did seem spot on for a Vulcan.

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                monstermayhem32 — 12 years ago(November 07, 2013 03:45 PM)

                I think Kirstie alley and robin Curtis were both good

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                  TheSolarSailor — 12 years ago(November 26, 2013 11:23 AM)

                  I didn't like her personality much, but she did seem spot on for a Vulcan.
                  That's a part of the problemshe is TOO Vulcan. It is well known that Saavik was supposed to be half Vulcan/half Romulan in Star Trek II. The reference to this was filmed, but deleted for whatever reason. regardless of the deleted reference, Kirstie played the character with that in mind, hence the reason she curses when the Klingon trap is revealed during the Kobyashi Maru test, or why she sheds a tear at Spock's funeral. She has those small moments that show her struggle to control her emotions. That element is what gave Kirstie's performance as Saavik a spark of life and makes her a fan favorite. When Robin Curtis took on the role, they ignored the half Vulcan/half Romulan aspect of the character and thus Curtis was instructed to play the role as full Vulcan. The result was a jarring change from an interesting Saavik to a rather bland Saavik.
                  Trek III can ignore the line about Saavik being a half-blood due to it being cut from Trek II all it wants, but you really can't ignore all the small nuances to the character as played by Alley that was there as a result of the deleted line. In the end, the line NEVER should have been deleted from Trek II to begin with.


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                    bjlevine — 12 years ago(November 26, 2013 11:33 AM)

                    Exactly. Lots of little nuances to Alley's performance. I love when Kirk finally explains how he beat the Kobayashi Maru test, and she goes non sequiter. Not beating the test was sticking in her craw and she's totally thrown for a loop when Kirk explains his "solution". I think the Curtis Saavik would have been coldly indignant.
                    "Live long and suck it, Zachary Quinto!"

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                      isbabo — 9 years ago(August 28, 2016 10:32 PM)

                      I agree.
                      I know the reasons why she didn't have been discussed to death over the last 30 years, but at the end of the day, her Saavik was great, and missed later on.
                      I can imagine the character played by Alley in later films and TNG (though perhaps that would justify her fear of being typecast). Still, a loss to the series, especially to the Genesis trilogy.

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                        monstermayhem32 — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 10:11 PM)

                        Even thou robin Curtis did a decent job and I felt really bad for her when she wanted to return for undiscovered country but nick Meyer didn't like her version when Kirstie alley refused because of her cheer commitments. However I did like Kirstie version and would be been interesting to see how she would have reacted to David's death,

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