Consider Sex?
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conace21 — 20 years ago(April 17, 2005 06:34 PM)
They didn't have intercourse. She went down on him early (that's pretty obvious) and he fingered her after he ripped her underwear off. That's what caised the moaning. But a few seconds before he gets off of her, you can hear her say "put it in."
In the book, she said no no wait. she moaned "no." She didn't mean for him to stop, she just moaned it because he was delaying. Tom used that "no" as an excuse to stop, but she was furious when he stopped. -
TulipeNoire — 20 years ago(April 25, 2005 07:21 AM)
It's quite worrying that you original poster thought that any kind of penetration was involved at the point considering that his 'ahem' was no-where near her, just his hands were!
Bien que mon amour soit fou, ma raison calme les trop vives douleurs de mon coeur -
Rockhound6165 — 20 years ago(July 14, 2005 11:08 AM)
He did commit adultry, actually. If this were not the case then every married man would be going around kissing and getting head left and right with no recourse. Tom made out with her and then got head from her. He stopped short of intercourse but in the legal sense of the word he did commit adultry. More so in the Biblical sense. It only became coersion when Merideth filed sexual harassment charges and forced Tom to do the same.
"That woman deserves her revenge. And wedeserve to die."-Budd -
conace21 — 20 years ago(July 31, 2005 06:10 PM)
If Tom went to Meredith's office intending to screw her, he would have committed adultery. If he had jumped her when she took off her jacket, it would have been adultery. If he had gone along when she kissed him, it would have been adultery. If he had pushed her down on her knees, it would have been adultery. He didn't do any of those things. When she took off her jacket, he told her things were different now with them. When she kissed him, he pulled away and said no. He said no a total of 31 (I think) times. He did not prevent meredith from going down on him, but he tried, and he couldn't really be too hostile, since she was his boss. Finally, finally, he gave in to the obvious temptation.
Did he fool around with another woman? Yes- it was technically adultery. But I can hardly think of a more difficult situation to be in- and Tom still walked out in the end. -
Psyche-8 — 19 years ago(June 06, 2006 06:48 AM)
The phrase they use in this movie is sexual harassment, when arguably it should be sexual assault because that's effectively what Meredith does to Tom. By forcibly kissing and fondling him she is assaulting him. The difference between a woman doing that to a man and a man doing that to a woman is that it is not considered acceptable under any circumstances to hit or otherwise attack a woman which is the only thing stopping Tom from hitting or kicking Meredith to get her away from him. In spite of him later saying to Phil Blackburn that "the woman is probably on a stairmaster an hour a day, she could kick the s**t out of both of us", Tom is not prepared to physically attack Meredith to get her away from him because that wouldn't be acceptable.
"He murders his wife every night. Other than that, I think he's pretty harmless." -
hilary_duffs_soul_mate — 19 years ago(March 09, 2007 06:52 AM)
I disagree, if a guy is in danger, like he was, i see nothing wrong with him using appropriate force to get out of that situation, and if that included striking her then yes. Of course it would be better if he can get safe without strikign her, but if its necessary then so be it. I don't think anybody should expect a man to not hit a women if he is in danger from her.
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h8patriarchy — 20 years ago(August 01, 2005 09:03 AM)
Thanks to our patriarchal society forms of harassment are something women worldwide have to endure at the working place I also don't think Sanders had sex with Meredith, but it would have come to that if Sanders wouldn't have barked that psycho down - Meredith does something men worldwide with positions in the job world do
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Helios_166 — 20 years ago(September 23, 2005 04:52 PM)
"Thanks to our patriarchal society forms of harassment are something women worldwide have to endure at the working place I also don't think Sanders had sex with Meredith, but it would have come to that if Sanders wouldn't have barked that psycho down - Meredith does something men worldwide with positions in the job world do "
i know u could have just looked above this post to see the quote but i felt that it had to be repeated due to its blatant sexism.
you are a sexist pig, pure and simple
you do not want equality
you are prejudice against all members of the opposite sex
and you think you are superior to the opposite sex
all of those characteristics are widely assosiated with sexists, of which you are one.
i felt i had to post this because nobody else had replied to her and stated the obvious.
Light travels faster than sound. thats why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. -
tyger_lilee — 20 years ago(November 12, 2005 04:39 PM)
Wow, you're quick to judge. The way I see it, that poster merely stated fact.
-"our patriarchal society"
Yes, we do have a patriarchal society. That's a fact by mere statisticslook it up. Men hold the most positions of power, men earn more in the SAME positions than women do.
-"something women worldwide have to endure at the working place"
Also a fact. You can't deny this, it happens all the time. That's why this movie is so interestingbecause harrassment going the other way happens so seldom.
-"if Sanders wouldn't have barked that psycho down"
Meredith is a psycho. Obviously this poster doesn't think ALL women are superior.
I don't seem to recall anywhere in that post that claimed women are superior or should be, nor did she anywhere say that she personally was superior to men. Did you notice that she supported Sanders and not Meredith? A rabid man-hating woman-rule-the-world kind of person would have been impressed with what Meredith pulled. Isn't that kind of the opposite of what you're claiming? Next time you want to talk about stating the obvious, make sure you don't bait the hook for the next person with half a brain to point your own finger back at yourself. Being against patriarchy isn't sexismsupporting existing patriarchy IS. Your attack on this person paints YOU as the sexist because you're so quick to bite the head off anyone who speaks out against the lack of equality in our culture. -
navstar7 — 20 years ago(December 17, 2005 08:46 AM)
To Helios 166: - "Light travels faster than sound. thats why some people appear bright until you hear them speak." Wow! I certainly must bow to your conviction that this axiom is true after you proved it so with your rabid remarks.
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s_m_ob — 17 years ago(June 10, 2008 09:29 PM)
Orgasam has nothing to do with penetration, especially since 70% of women don't have orgasams from vaginal sex, but from clitoral stimulation. So don't believe that the vagina is an inside out penis, they don't work that way, and movies just like to perpetuate this myth.
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DreTam2000 — 13 years ago(September 28, 2012 08:37 PM)
Actually, that percentage is indeed correct.
A large number of women do not experience orgasms for a variety of reasons. The vagina is a trickier part of the body than the penis, and a lot less linear in shape and in sexual scope.
It is common for women to not have orgasms. Medically, some do not have the proper glands. As a result some women have received shots from doctors in order to improve their ability to experience an orgasm.
I've known many women in my day who have had trouble with orgasms. Another reason some women tend to not have them, is because they hold back. Because the vagina is such an interior-based structure (as opposed to the more external penis) it doesn't seem as natural to some women to ejaculate during a sexual experience. Some are embarrassed or they just feel awkward, causing them to suppress the ejaculatory occurrence. Many see ejaculation as a male thing, and the idea of any orgasmic fluids dispensing (or in some cases shooting) from out of the genitalia is therefore embarrassing to some females, or it just doesn't seem right.
You'll be surprised just how many women hold back, because they don't even know that the possibility for vaginal ejaculation is an option. Another thing that can cause this is the female (and even for males) neglecting to urinate before intercourse. The sensation for urination can build up during sex and the body's natural desire to hold that back will also cause the female to hold back the orgasm.
In the case of the penis, because it is comprised of epidermis (while the vagina is more a mucus membrane interior structure), the skin of the penis is vulnerable to sensation, to the point where men cannot hold back an orgasm as easily as women can during sexual stimulation. The skin of the penis need only be stimulated in the case of men, while the vaginal interior needs more structural or muscular manipulation for orgasm purposes.
This is why the above poster states that it is much easier to cause orgasms for women by stimulating the outside of the clitoris, where more epidermis is involved (I have known guys who say that they use their fingers to play with a female's clitoris during sex in order to make them have an orgasm).
It sounds like either you are some kind of stud, or you have come across women who are freer than others mentally, to the point where they do not hold back, or they are more receptive to the sexual experience psychologically. Mental concentration is a huge factor in the occurrence of sexual orgasms, especially for females (a fully-clothed person can ejaculate just from fantasizing elaborately about something or another).
Many women aren't even sure if they've ever had an orgasm or not. And many women engage in sex and don't even know after it's over whether or not they just had an orgasm. And in many cases, their mannerisms will not display the attitude of a person who has just had sex without experiencing an orgasm, because to them (due to their unawareness and unsureness) the sexual experience for women does not even naturally result in ejaculation of any sort. To them ejaculation is a male thing. So goes the misconception. A man may have sex with five different partners and never know that none of those women had orgasms, because the females' attitudes after intercourse do not reflect the fact that they didn't have one. This is entirely common. This is why many men only
think
that the sexual experience in their sex lives is satisfying to both them and the female partners involved. And some women lie to men about having orgasms as well. And then there are those men who only
think
that they are satisfying women and they fail to realize that they are not, because neither the male or the female is sure when or how a female experiences an orgasm; or sometimes both the male and the female (wrongly) accept that an orgasm is just for the guy to begin with.
In a society where men are praised for being sexually active and known for shooting semen from our genitalia, while women are (inaccurately) assumed to be less sexual and not "shooters," it's no wonder that many women are less in touch with their orgasmic abilities, to the point of suppressing their sexual receptiveness, and being overall embarrassed with the idea of ejaculating. They fail to "cum" as a result.
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bura11 — 12 years ago(November 04, 2013 10:24 PM)
While some of what you say may be true as it seems to make sense, I don't agree with that percentage, especially not in today's world. As I understand it, women having a high sex drive in yesteryears was a taboo; today's young women generally have no qualms about what gets them going, when they want it and how they want it. In my age group (mid-twenties) I've yet to meet a woman/friend/roommate/colleague/etc who hasn't achieved orgasm MOST of the time, if not all of the time, from vaginal penetration. Granted we don't represent all women, but somehow 70% seems way too high.
While our clitoris may be outside, that magical G-spot is inside (or at least mine is apparently) and that's how vaginal orgasm is very possible.
I agree women being more familiar with their own body and more vocal about it has A LOT to do with that. I don't hold back about what I like, or how I want it and so far, that has proven quite successful. Mind is important as well. Sex is not only physical, but mental as well. Young women are not sheltered as they were in the past, they're not expected to only be on the receiving end of sex or suppress their natural sex drive. Some of this, not all of it, factors into older studies with high percentages of those unable to achieve orgasm. I'd love to see a study of 18-35 yr old women ONLY. In no way do I mean this to be derogatory or insulting nor am I implying older women can't/don't have orgasms, simply curious to see how culture changes impact sex.
Note: I'm not speaking from a scientific point of view, nor am I an expert or researcher. I'm simply observant, love a good conversation on sex with the people around me, and am mildly knowledgeable on the topic.
Side note: Faking orgasm?? Do women REALLY still do that?? It's 2013 ladies. I hope not. Never did it, never will.