Jinnah The Great
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zaindy — 18 years ago(April 27, 2007 02:45 AM)
LOL! The Indian jealousy at the existance of Pakistan is showing in this thread! Jinnah tried very hard to work with the Hindu's to make sure that India would remain a united country. But he later realized that because the Hindus were much greater in number, and because of the Hindu refusal to accept his 14 points, he had to ask for a separate nation. Do some research from unbiased sources before you come here to diss the Father of our Nation. And I know you Indian's are giving this film the lowest rating you can, but please, actually watch the film or don't vote at all.
We Pakistani's respect your Gandhi, you should respect our Jinnah. -
Harrysalt — 16 years ago(April 18, 2009 01:19 AM)
Sanjay, time to grow up buddy. Neither Pakistan NOR india can get anything out of each other with war. Its just the world we live in. Whether Pakistan gets Kashmir or not, its a different thing, but the point is How many more lives India is willing to waste to keep the part of the land that it didn't even get fairly?
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parunach — 18 years ago(July 10, 2007 11:28 AM)
I am of Indian origin and look at all the writings in this thread with disgust. I am personally happy with the existence of both countries in a idealogical sense. Both countries are not going to go away, we might as well accept that. Both countries have their share of problems. India has too many people with problems such as poverty, malnutrition and corruption.
If Jinnah were around now, he would be ashamed of Pakistan and how religious tensions are tearing the country. Jinnah was a man of integrity who realized the problems with too much religion and had wanted a secular country where muslims could live in peace. What do we have instead in Pakistan, people wanting Sharia law and so on.
Instead of concentrating on who has Kashmir, who is great etc, I would think that both countries need to work on improving the economic structure to reduce the severe problems in both countries. -
asifshahzad_1 — 17 years ago(May 27, 2008 02:07 PM)
i dono wht you ppl are discussing here.. an unstoppable word war vich has nothing to do with the movie its a an informative movie of a man who has got some international fame dats y a man like Christopher lee is even considering this role, his best role till now..! so one shoud see the movie and
appriciate his work .. instead of just making this as a political forum! -
Harrysalt — 16 years ago(April 18, 2009 01:16 AM)
Well Muslims came from Arab and conquered the Indian and ruled "Hindustan" for over 1000 years. Yes Muslims lost their power after British rule and smart people like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Iqbal and Jinnah realized that there would be no living after Britishs are gone, and man weren't they right, look up how many Muslims have been killed in India since partition as opposed to Hindus!
Bollywood is a beep industry that plagiarises everything from Hollywood and other western films, so there is nothing to be jealous of "Bollywood". LOL even the name is a copy of Hollywood and your proud of that? -
Harrysalt — 16 years ago(April 18, 2009 01:14 AM)
he was a man who threated to cause civil war in india had his demands for free muslim state been rejected.
Ok I guess this is what your text books and media teach you, I can't say anything more.
in fact it is well recorded that jinnah was not even a strong muslim, he drank liquor and lived and acted like a british man for almost his entire term in india.
Thats right, and so am I, I am atheist Pakistani but I love the leader who created a country called Pakistan. There's nothing wrong in being a "Non-Muslim".
if muslims want to look up to leaders they need to look at people such as maulana azad, apj, and not conniving, machiavellian leaders such as jinnah.
Well Jinnah with capital "J" you moron, was a smart, intellegent man, your just pissed of coz he divided your land called India.
"this again does not imply that he was a black monstorous badmouthing beast, but rather a man of great potential who simply got lost in his unrequitted love of power."
Black bad mouth?? Again its your just jelaousy speaking. I didn't say Gandhi an ugly bald sand beep couldn't do what Jinnah did, now did I? -
rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(July 17, 2008 10:40 AM)
I want to tell you guys something why islam is taking for ride for everything every polician in the world either gets votes by telling people he hates islam or by saying he loves it people are right about jinnah.. it was his personal vision to have a muslim state and he got it i am totally against pakistan being there but i thankful to jinnah cause we can see that he just took the worst people away from india we all know where pak stands, even while it got the best of india's part
I wanna ask you guys do u have any idea what is islam Musharaf and his wife both drink and its not permitted by islam many more things you can get from history where people who blindly followed islam only gave power to people who manupulated them may be jinnah was one
No wonder that its the only decent budget movie about him and even this did not get takers it was direct to DVD
I dont hate him or love him cause i dont know him i am mentioning all this cause there is enough anti india stuff in this thread India is the only country where you can practice islam without feeling guilty about it when i say only then let me tell you Mr. saudi who is the care takers of most holy places for muslims goes to meet pop and wears a cross to impress him if you dont know about it then go to history and check it Love islam and i love you peoplebut dont say a word against india and hiduism
Jinnah was an opportunist gandhi proposed his name for Prime ministership and nehru and all rejected and thats the reason why there is pakistan and history is a witness to it
This was just a person agenda islam was used to justify it and you guys are still not able to get it you appreciate he created pakistan but there is not even a single justification to it
I am sure islam would sooner or later get over the Hippocratic followers
you can write me back with whatever words i would give you more reason to do that in my reply -
fabsab — 17 years ago(August 03, 2008 11:01 AM)
Rajiv I don't think you need to be giving Pakistani's a lecture on what Islam is. For your information, most Pakistani's probably dont care that Musharraf and his wife drink, that is up to them. Indians like to think they are in the know about Islam, and they try to ingratiate themselves with other countries by bonding with them over the threat of Islamismbut guess what, on the whole, Islam is a much less conservative religion than Hinduism. Only a Muslim understands what the true meaning of Islam is, so you don't need to come on the board of the secular founder of Pakistan and try and create tension.
You also have a warped idea of what India is today. India learnt from Israel and has heavily invested in its PR department- you have managed to dupe the world that India is some kind of secular democracy but any person who goes to India will soon be able to see that this is a myth.
Btw. Pakistan is not technically a homeland for 'Indian Muslims' as many think it is. The majority of Pakistanis are native to the area, so what connection do they have with India apart from the fact that the British lumped them in with India under their rule?
I have noticed a lot of Indians still resent the creation of Pakistan, but you can count the number of Pakistanis that want to reunite with India on one hand. -
rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(August 08, 2008 03:24 AM)
dear fabsab your statements are politically correct and thats what is left with you guys there
"For your information, most Pakistani's probably dont care that Musharraf and his wife drink, that is up to them."
Well this guys rules you like father like son he is the one who defines your charater so you are what he is
"Only a Muslim understands what the true meaning of Islam is, so you don't need to come on the board of the secular founder of Pakistan and try and create tension."
I have lived 10 years with muslims today my partners and my friends are all muslims i know islam the way Quran explains and i dont think there are many complication here anyone would understand islam cause its clear and just and pure in its wording and advantage is that you dont have many versions of Quran.. like bible has many versions so let me tell you its not hard to understand islam and respect it as far as Jinnah is concerned secularism is good but then what was the need of pakistan if you are secular.. let hindus and muslims stay together in india, let there be civil war if that takes people to learn, america faced it and once for all what goes wrong infact nothing goes wrong then About nativity of pakistanis, when there was no pakistan then how come they are native pakistanis its a land india had to shell out as a cost of its independence and i like it or not does not matter but thats simply the fact they were native indians and there was no pakistan before 1947 I dont think anybody ever said pakistan as homeland for indian muslims it was just a product of greed and lust of a man you dont like to hear it but you can not justify it either Just telling people that you dont understand it only tells how intelligent you are cause you think others are fools i never want to discuss hinduism or islam here cause if you think you are smart there is nothing called hinduism, indian philosophy of religion lets you follow whatever god you want to and its between you and the god to decide you were right or wrong thats why there are thousands of names of god and they are all resepcted and if you ever follow Dr. Zakir naik then you gonna find out that only vedas defined that god would be worshiped as Allah and Mr. mohd would start this way of worshiping thats 2000 years before islam was born, you have Mohammad as name there, place of his birth defined, name of his mother and father defined in vedas, I only came accross this cause i give full respect to islam and when i watched Dr. Naik i had an open mind all this binds us into just one god and i dont know why you just want to run away like jinnah did you can go to youtube and see his lectures i hope you have some faith in Dr. Naik and dont blame him for supporting hindu agenda -
rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(August 08, 2008 04:08 AM)
ok guys i good news is that i read 14 points of Mr. jinnah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points_of_Jinnah
here you can go and see his secular nature he is secular but wanted indirectly or directly, muslims to rule most of the india secularism means you dont even mention religion just let the talented rise to top thats what happens in india prime minister is sikh last president was muslim people say sonia is all powerful person and she was an italian before she married rajiv well now thats not secular then god help those who gonna bring secularism to this world -
isiagent — 17 years ago(October 19, 2008 08:42 PM)
huh-ha..,60 years passed and indians still cant get over it..get a grip guys..Pakistan still exists as an independent state good or bad we are surviving and who the beep fills ur heads with the fancy dream of ""india won 4 wars""
perhaps cuz thats what u have been told and fed into ur brains and u have NO IDEA of the losses u have suffered in those wars despite of bad weponry and smaller army pakistan has caused u more losses than u can imagine..considering the size and small population of Pakistan..smaller army etc its shameful for uall the 4 wars u so much like to mention were caused by indian agression.. perhaps indians shud start digging things on theor own rather than believeing what they are being told.
like father like son ? duh ur fathers a sikh these days i suppose u follow that faith now ? and that wud mean ur faith changes ever couple of years following ur own philosophy.
Pakistan still exists on the Map and it WILL.. and Pakistanis are happy where they areget a grip and stop crying already -
Ostar9 — 17 years ago(December 11, 2008 11:48 PM)
How interesting about the only post on this thread that made any sense was this one. Boy, oh boy, how the world laughs at us squabbling children. Idiots on both sides of the border. What both India and Pakistan need, is another exodus like the Partition, but this time, we send all the idiots on both sides to go live on a sinking island somewhere. I nominate most of the people on this thread right now.
Rats!! I did it again - Adolf Hitler. -
rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(December 28, 2008 02:24 PM)
Oh yeh you guys are smart just cause you can say smile and be happy while the negative we are talking is actually a part of everyday life of people here dont you see what is happening here and want us to just say lets are all friends live in your own dreamland before some sinks it