I Liked This Movie–What don't you get? **Spoilers**
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Babylon A.D.
empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 01, 2008 05:14 PM)
Seriously, what are your questions? What about this movie doesn't make sense?
I thought it was way more consistent and well written than most Sci Fi these days. It's written like real Sci Fi and has some elements in it that might not be familiar to someone who doesn't read a bunch of Sci Fi. Extreme genetic engineering, augmented humans, post-nuclear anarchy existing side by side with amazing technology.
There's been a nuclear war in Europe. It's anarchy over there and Americawhich seems not to have been hit with nuclear weaponshas reacted to terrorism by creating amazingly tight borders. For whatever reason, Toorop has been stranded in Eastern Europe and branded a terrorist so he can't get back in. He knows something is probably up with the passport, but doesn't have much choice as he is so desperate to get back to where life isn't so horrible he implants it anyway.
The Scientist/Father was hired by the bogus religion to create Aurora using DNA from the High Priestess (and probably himself) to give them an apparently supernatural basis for their religion. She was created to react to a virus (given to her in the form of a pill they mention by the doctor) by generating a virgin birth (pathogenesis) and then die a convenient death afterwards. This isn't natural pathogenesisit's been created in a lab. The wonder twins are supposed to be superior human beings and the puppets of the religion.
Toorop dies. He said the only thing that would make the passport stop working is if he died, and he did. The girl was engineered to die after giving birth. It was SEVERAL MONTHS after this when Aurora died (notice the big tummy?) and the end was a couple of years after that.
The twins were created using big hairy sciencethe kind that made babies that were better than their motherso parthenogenesis aside, they aren't just clones.
Toorop lives far away from most technology which makes him harder to find. He tells the kids to come in "there's a storm coming" which probably heralds all the badness you expect to happen.
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 02, 2008 12:53 PM)
You know, I thought for him, it was really good. He used his face and his eyes and was way more animated. Plus, he didn't sound like he was lying all the time like he used to (bad actors often sound lie they're lying to me).
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jackmode211 — 17 years ago(September 02, 2008 04:32 PM)
heres the big question for me that no one seems to be adressing.
how did aurora save the planet.
what did she do that was so great? im confused
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 02, 2008 08:19 PM)
The evil people didn't get to have their fake miracle, they didn't get to have the genetically engineered messiah to use and abuse the world with (they say it's the twins that are protecting Aurora when the bullets can't hit her so they have some hefty powers).
Their agenda could have been elaborated uponI would have enjoyed that. My guess is that it's supposed to be a manufactured religion like Scientology, and thatas a generalityanything that would have made that woman happy would have to have been very, very bad for everybody else.
Plus, just because the kidletts were manufactured, doesn't mean they couldn't make the world a better place.
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jackmode211 — 17 years ago(September 04, 2008 07:00 PM)
so if she died.she would have saved the planet???
no fake miracle.no babiesthe bad guys didnt get what they want
.saving the world used to actually take effort.
aurora didnt save anything..
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LaoWombat1 — 16 years ago(April 11, 2009 11:19 PM)
We became obsolete and they became homo superior and inherited the plant and, presumably stopped screwing it up.
Not bad film, not great but messes with people's heads.
Massacre of the innocents, flight into Egypt(America), Virgin birth, sorrowing mother of God(s). Man who dies and comes back to life with tattoo on back referencing Egyptian resurection story. etc.
Obviously, there was a lot that people don't get and when they don't get it, they don't like it
I liked the bit after the fact with the cloned cats, obviously they recognized a sister
Not entirely successful but a nice attempt at being thought provoking. The fact that most don't get it means though that it failed.
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FiyreFly18 — 17 years ago(September 05, 2008 06:16 AM)
I'm curious, how do you explain Aurora's seemingly psychic powers and extreme empathy? I know her brain was like a computer but still, her ability to literally feel the pain of others or know of things that she's never experienced?
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xenatikkanen-1 — 17 years ago(September 13, 2008 04:34 AM)
I'm still trying to figure out why they introduced the whole idea of her carrying a virus that would end the world and then just dropped the plotline completely! I was sort of veering toward a THE REAPING plotline the way it was first going, but then it just went 180 in another direction with the ending. CRAZY!
Then again, I am still trying to figure out how wooden Hayden Christensen's Jumper all of a sudden had some ability to teleport through time and space and none of it was EVER explained, and why Diane Lane got a paycheck to just show up for 4 seconds and be his mother and a paladin. I think Jamie Bell's Austin should have killed both of them, and then come to upstate NY to tell Turep he's a frickin paladin too and that his twins are jumpers and kill them all.
I hate incoherent plot points that are never explained!!!!!!!!!!!
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 13, 2008 04:56 PM)
The horribleness was averted by keeping the kidletts out of the hands of the bad lady. It's not a perfect wrapped up with a bow ending. It's more like "hey kids, if you liked this, you'll LOVE Babylon AD 2The Toddling.
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 17, 2008 05:21 PM)
Toorop's friend thought that she was showing symptoms of having a virus and assumed it was a viral weapon. This made it seem like the pill that made Aurora sick was a virus of somesort. It turns out that this was not a weaponas in a manufactured plagueit was a virus that was used to make the twins. Aurora was genetically manufactured to respond to the virus by becoming pregnant.
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silas_33 — 17 years ago(October 22, 2008 07:20 AM)
Scientology is as manufactured as many other religions. I feel that if you look at the beginnings of Scientology and those of other religions the people of that time may have felt that Christianity, Buddhism and all the rest were just as 'manufactured' as we feel Scientology is now. I feel it sticks out more to us since it is based on information we generally consider to be science fiction.
I am not a Scientologist, I am just saying, why do people consider walking on water, virgin births, resurrections and such to be so much more plausible than aliens. They have faith, you have faith. May be funnier faith but not less plausible.
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DaliParton — 16 years ago(April 13, 2009 10:29 PM)
Scientology is as manufactured as many other religions.
Scientology charges money for access to their "revelations" - that's pretty much the definition of a cult and disqualifies it as a legitimate religion.
