I Liked This Movie–What don't you get? **Spoilers**
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jackmode211 — 17 years ago(September 02, 2008 04:32 PM)
heres the big question for me that no one seems to be adressing.
how did aurora save the planet.
what did she do that was so great? im confused
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 02, 2008 08:19 PM)
The evil people didn't get to have their fake miracle, they didn't get to have the genetically engineered messiah to use and abuse the world with (they say it's the twins that are protecting Aurora when the bullets can't hit her so they have some hefty powers).
Their agenda could have been elaborated uponI would have enjoyed that. My guess is that it's supposed to be a manufactured religion like Scientology, and thatas a generalityanything that would have made that woman happy would have to have been very, very bad for everybody else.
Plus, just because the kidletts were manufactured, doesn't mean they couldn't make the world a better place.
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jackmode211 — 17 years ago(September 04, 2008 07:00 PM)
so if she died.she would have saved the planet???
no fake miracle.no babiesthe bad guys didnt get what they want
.saving the world used to actually take effort.
aurora didnt save anything..
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LaoWombat1 — 16 years ago(April 11, 2009 11:19 PM)
We became obsolete and they became homo superior and inherited the plant and, presumably stopped screwing it up.
Not bad film, not great but messes with people's heads.
Massacre of the innocents, flight into Egypt(America), Virgin birth, sorrowing mother of God(s). Man who dies and comes back to life with tattoo on back referencing Egyptian resurection story. etc.
Obviously, there was a lot that people don't get and when they don't get it, they don't like it
I liked the bit after the fact with the cloned cats, obviously they recognized a sister
Not entirely successful but a nice attempt at being thought provoking. The fact that most don't get it means though that it failed.
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FiyreFly18 — 17 years ago(September 05, 2008 06:16 AM)
I'm curious, how do you explain Aurora's seemingly psychic powers and extreme empathy? I know her brain was like a computer but still, her ability to literally feel the pain of others or know of things that she's never experienced?
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xenatikkanen-1 — 17 years ago(September 13, 2008 04:34 AM)
I'm still trying to figure out why they introduced the whole idea of her carrying a virus that would end the world and then just dropped the plotline completely! I was sort of veering toward a THE REAPING plotline the way it was first going, but then it just went 180 in another direction with the ending. CRAZY!
Then again, I am still trying to figure out how wooden Hayden Christensen's Jumper all of a sudden had some ability to teleport through time and space and none of it was EVER explained, and why Diane Lane got a paycheck to just show up for 4 seconds and be his mother and a paladin. I think Jamie Bell's Austin should have killed both of them, and then come to upstate NY to tell Turep he's a frickin paladin too and that his twins are jumpers and kill them all.
I hate incoherent plot points that are never explained!!!!!!!!!!!
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 13, 2008 04:56 PM)
The horribleness was averted by keeping the kidletts out of the hands of the bad lady. It's not a perfect wrapped up with a bow ending. It's more like "hey kids, if you liked this, you'll LOVE Babylon AD 2The Toddling.
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 17, 2008 05:21 PM)
Toorop's friend thought that she was showing symptoms of having a virus and assumed it was a viral weapon. This made it seem like the pill that made Aurora sick was a virus of somesort. It turns out that this was not a weaponas in a manufactured plagueit was a virus that was used to make the twins. Aurora was genetically manufactured to respond to the virus by becoming pregnant.
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin -
silas_33 — 17 years ago(October 22, 2008 07:20 AM)
Scientology is as manufactured as many other religions. I feel that if you look at the beginnings of Scientology and those of other religions the people of that time may have felt that Christianity, Buddhism and all the rest were just as 'manufactured' as we feel Scientology is now. I feel it sticks out more to us since it is based on information we generally consider to be science fiction.
I am not a Scientologist, I am just saying, why do people consider walking on water, virgin births, resurrections and such to be so much more plausible than aliens. They have faith, you have faith. May be funnier faith but not less plausible.
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DaliParton — 16 years ago(April 13, 2009 10:29 PM)
Scientology is as manufactured as many other religions.
Scientology charges money for access to their "revelations" - that's pretty much the definition of a cult and disqualifies it as a legitimate religion. -
DaliParton — 16 years ago(April 18, 2009 04:04 AM)
Um, tithing, anyone?
Tithes are essentially a tax from when the church was effectively the government. Furthermore, paying a tithe does not entitle you to access to any secret chapters of the bible or any other scripture that is hidden from those who do not pay. -
silas_33 — 14 years ago(October 23, 2011 06:11 AM)
I was saying at the beginnings of many of these religions.
There is a long documented history of issues the major religions have had, such as crusades, siding with mass murderers, inquisitions, burning of books etc etc. one can very easily have these universal beliefs without subscribing to any religious structure.
I really do not see what religion does not practice forms of brainwashing. Even if it is not a harmful intent. Begin to take a child to a place once a week, make them know it is special, with special clothes, set times and that everyone does it. Tell him how great this god is, how the only way to salvation is through him. He sees majority of the people around him do the same, be it to his building or others that this god is in all at the same time. When something negative happens you tell him to pray to that god for help. Chances are this kid will grow into that religion. Then once they are of age to actually look into other belief systems they would most likely have other 'real world' concerns that reduce the chance of them actually having the time to look into whether they are right or wrong.
As for the money thing, I am pretty sure the Vatican is one of the richest countries per square mile in the world. If the wealth aspect is not enough a religion has a country, a country (although some may argue this was given to them as a result for their peity and therefore more proof that the religion is the right one but) So scientology still has some way to go. -
sic_one11 — 17 years ago(September 05, 2008 04:06 PM)
Thank you!
Someone else who actually has a bit of understanding in this movie.
In the defense of the movie, I can sum it up with:
A) The movie was cut by 11 minutes, for whatever reason, in the USA and Canada (which I assume is where the main audience lies anyways). I'm not quite sure what was cut, but it could've been pretty important plot items, and for whatever reason, some Hollywood nutjob thought they should cut the movie to make it 90 minutes.
B) The director has stated that Fox basically took control over the project somewhere near the end after the movie went over-budget. Hence the seemingly rushed scenes, ending, and a couple of plot holes.
C) Vin Diesel might not be the best actor, but besides that, Michelle Yeoh did a fantastic job acting-wise and performing her own stunts.
Perhaps if Fox didn't rush the ending, it would've turned out 100x better. And also, where did the 11 minutes go? If a Director's Cut comes out, it's a must-see. This will probably greatly expand on the ending, and perhaps shut out those critics who hate the whole movie simply because the last 15 minutes aren't the best.
The beginning and the middle were very enjoyable, and I can't stand to see people giving this movie 3 or 4 out of 10 because they can't stand the ending. It deserves a lot more than that. -
juviejay — 17 years ago(September 06, 2008 12:52 AM)
I like science fiction, especially good science fiction. Actually, that's not true. I like only good science fiction. Bad science fiction I don't like. It seemed like this movie had the potential to be good, but lost it somewhere along the way. I don't mind Vin Diesel. I think he makes a good, gruff hero. The Aurora character was beautiful and intriguing. Maybe it was guardian, a middle aged asian woman strutting around kicking everyone's ass. Maybe it was when Diesel destroyed two drone planes, one with a gun, the other with a snowmobile. Maybe it was the fact that Aurora's father's henchmen just gave up so easily. Maybe it was the fact that three people could walk through a narrow corridor of parked cars and somehow not get shot by the twenty or so gun wielding assailants on both sides of them (though I guess I should be used to that in movies by now). Maybe it was that so much wasn't explained (like why Aurora had super abilities, how did she get pregnant, who was the father, why did she have twins and why did she die). Maybe it was that fact that the high priestess sent only a few guys to retrieve the most important person in the entire world, and once they failed, she was gone. Or maybe it was the cheesy way in which Diesel dispatched them. I don't know, I was just disappointed.
I think people who talk in metaphors oughta shampoo my crotch.
