I Liked This Movie–What don't you get? **Spoilers**
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 13, 2008 04:56 PM)
The horribleness was averted by keeping the kidletts out of the hands of the bad lady. It's not a perfect wrapped up with a bow ending. It's more like "hey kids, if you liked this, you'll LOVE Babylon AD 2The Toddling.
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin -
empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 17, 2008 05:21 PM)
Toorop's friend thought that she was showing symptoms of having a virus and assumed it was a viral weapon. This made it seem like the pill that made Aurora sick was a virus of somesort. It turns out that this was not a weaponas in a manufactured plagueit was a virus that was used to make the twins. Aurora was genetically manufactured to respond to the virus by becoming pregnant.
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin -
silas_33 — 17 years ago(October 22, 2008 07:20 AM)
Scientology is as manufactured as many other religions. I feel that if you look at the beginnings of Scientology and those of other religions the people of that time may have felt that Christianity, Buddhism and all the rest were just as 'manufactured' as we feel Scientology is now. I feel it sticks out more to us since it is based on information we generally consider to be science fiction.
I am not a Scientologist, I am just saying, why do people consider walking on water, virgin births, resurrections and such to be so much more plausible than aliens. They have faith, you have faith. May be funnier faith but not less plausible.
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DaliParton — 16 years ago(April 13, 2009 10:29 PM)
Scientology is as manufactured as many other religions.
Scientology charges money for access to their "revelations" - that's pretty much the definition of a cult and disqualifies it as a legitimate religion. -
DaliParton — 16 years ago(April 18, 2009 04:04 AM)
Um, tithing, anyone?
Tithes are essentially a tax from when the church was effectively the government. Furthermore, paying a tithe does not entitle you to access to any secret chapters of the bible or any other scripture that is hidden from those who do not pay. -
silas_33 — 14 years ago(October 23, 2011 06:11 AM)
I was saying at the beginnings of many of these religions.
There is a long documented history of issues the major religions have had, such as crusades, siding with mass murderers, inquisitions, burning of books etc etc. one can very easily have these universal beliefs without subscribing to any religious structure.
I really do not see what religion does not practice forms of brainwashing. Even if it is not a harmful intent. Begin to take a child to a place once a week, make them know it is special, with special clothes, set times and that everyone does it. Tell him how great this god is, how the only way to salvation is through him. He sees majority of the people around him do the same, be it to his building or others that this god is in all at the same time. When something negative happens you tell him to pray to that god for help. Chances are this kid will grow into that religion. Then once they are of age to actually look into other belief systems they would most likely have other 'real world' concerns that reduce the chance of them actually having the time to look into whether they are right or wrong.
As for the money thing, I am pretty sure the Vatican is one of the richest countries per square mile in the world. If the wealth aspect is not enough a religion has a country, a country (although some may argue this was given to them as a result for their peity and therefore more proof that the religion is the right one but) So scientology still has some way to go. -
sic_one11 — 17 years ago(September 05, 2008 04:06 PM)
Thank you!
Someone else who actually has a bit of understanding in this movie.
In the defense of the movie, I can sum it up with:
A) The movie was cut by 11 minutes, for whatever reason, in the USA and Canada (which I assume is where the main audience lies anyways). I'm not quite sure what was cut, but it could've been pretty important plot items, and for whatever reason, some Hollywood nutjob thought they should cut the movie to make it 90 minutes.
B) The director has stated that Fox basically took control over the project somewhere near the end after the movie went over-budget. Hence the seemingly rushed scenes, ending, and a couple of plot holes.
C) Vin Diesel might not be the best actor, but besides that, Michelle Yeoh did a fantastic job acting-wise and performing her own stunts.
Perhaps if Fox didn't rush the ending, it would've turned out 100x better. And also, where did the 11 minutes go? If a Director's Cut comes out, it's a must-see. This will probably greatly expand on the ending, and perhaps shut out those critics who hate the whole movie simply because the last 15 minutes aren't the best.
The beginning and the middle were very enjoyable, and I can't stand to see people giving this movie 3 or 4 out of 10 because they can't stand the ending. It deserves a lot more than that. -
juviejay — 17 years ago(September 06, 2008 12:52 AM)
I like science fiction, especially good science fiction. Actually, that's not true. I like only good science fiction. Bad science fiction I don't like. It seemed like this movie had the potential to be good, but lost it somewhere along the way. I don't mind Vin Diesel. I think he makes a good, gruff hero. The Aurora character was beautiful and intriguing. Maybe it was guardian, a middle aged asian woman strutting around kicking everyone's ass. Maybe it was when Diesel destroyed two drone planes, one with a gun, the other with a snowmobile. Maybe it was the fact that Aurora's father's henchmen just gave up so easily. Maybe it was the fact that three people could walk through a narrow corridor of parked cars and somehow not get shot by the twenty or so gun wielding assailants on both sides of them (though I guess I should be used to that in movies by now). Maybe it was that so much wasn't explained (like why Aurora had super abilities, how did she get pregnant, who was the father, why did she have twins and why did she die). Maybe it was that fact that the high priestess sent only a few guys to retrieve the most important person in the entire world, and once they failed, she was gone. Or maybe it was the cheesy way in which Diesel dispatched them. I don't know, I was just disappointed.
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sarastro7 — 17 years ago(September 06, 2008 07:32 PM)
"What about this movie doesn't make sense?"
Almost everything! Much of the technology is completely inconsistent with such a future (the bad guys driving old Range Rovers?!), and the story was awful and without real meaning. It was told without detail and explanation, probably to give the reader some sense that it was all very mysterious. And the end didn't deliver at all. I only give "1" ratings to movies I find incredibly trashy and offensively bad, and this one qualifies! If the whole Neolite messiah thing was averted, then what the hell is the storm that was coming, and what significance does it have for the twins? It is an attempt at some symbolical parable; it's not just a sci-fi story. They mentioned something that seemed to have been prophecied, like Toorop being Aurora's protector. The story would have been a little bit easier to swallow if some of these things (esp. the unborn twins' hefty powers, protecting Aurora from the missile blast) had actually been properly explained in the movie, but they weren't, and most audiences are just left scratching their heads. It was an incredibly disappointing product, and it really deserves a "1" rating. Almost the whole movie played itself out with no apparent plot, and when it was finally revealed it was just complete cr!p.
This movie is so bad and meaningless that I'm not going to waste anymore of my life on it, nor on any other version that may come out later. -
Sugar_Angel1687 — 17 years ago(September 06, 2008 10:44 PM)
I completely agree with you sarastro7. Unless the director's cut is about an hour longer I won't watch it either..this movie could of been so much better (I'm glad I didn't spend any money to watch it; I only do that for good movies)
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 12, 2008 10:00 PM)
I liked how the technology is used to tell us stuff about the world Toorop lives in. The Russia we are shown is very much like the wild, wild westexcept instead of building stuff, they are living off the carcass of a collapsed state. Law and order are non-existant. There are things like nuclear subs from the pastbut they are being used by private individuals/criminals not the government. They are scavanging and reusing stuff.
You can contrast that with how the US looksprosperous, but scared (hence the super tight borders) and vulnerable to manipulation.
The week after I saw this I was in Times Square in NY, and there are huge video/LED commercial displays all over the placeit was a lot like Blade Runner lite.
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin -
