was 'the rape' truly rape? -Comments welcome
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courtstone — 18 years ago(October 03, 2007 05:28 AM)
YES. That was rape. I doesn't matter how me get into the car, or was "willing". That type of brutality and force is rape. Personally I would NOT have gone with any guy that is telling me to "be quiet, shut up and don't say anything". That would have gave me an eerie feeling about this guy before we even got out the car.
But diving a little bit deeper into his actions: Was he acting that way towards Neil because he was a prostitute OR was he treating him that way because of 'his own' personal insecurities? Usually the guys that are extremely homophobic or hateful to gays are guys that are dealing with the very same feelings within themselves.
I heard of a guy (who lives a "straight" life), but he has sex with guys on occasion. He would meet them, talk to them and have sex with themand just as soon as he "finishes" he would almost go into a rage and physically hit them and beat them up. Very sad. But in order for a person do thatthey must really hate themselves and have a lot of insecurities that they just can't deal with. -
PnkRckBtch666 — 18 years ago(October 04, 2007 05:04 PM)
Ya know, teh rape scene in Irreversible just didnt do it for me. First of all, 9minutes of rape onscreen is ridiculously long, but it doesnt stay ridiculously disturbing, after a few minutes it lost its brash, in your face, horrible unpleasantness. I was bored by the end, like "Come on, he would have cum by now", but this one got to me, and yes it was rape. Whoever started this thread has experienced the same thing and has been writing it off as something other than rape for awhile, unfortunately, it was. Prostitute or not. And maybe he didnt scream and fight because he was so beep degraded and he knew there was nothing he could do but be still and just take it. So he did.
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missdestinyjade — 18 years ago(October 07, 2007 09:52 AM)
"Whoever started this thread has experienced the same thing and has been writing it off as something other than rape for awhile, unfortunately, it was."
Uhno. I was-THANKFULLY-never raped,molested,felt up, manhandled, touched inappropriately or etc..
I started this thread just to get people talking and to truly see people's opinions on the matter. I personally do believe that it was rape but thought that maybe someone out there disagreed to a point. Anyway, i appreciate your thoughts even though your judgemental comments were way off base.
Ojos que no ven, corazn que no siente.
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possum_y3k — 17 years ago(June 03, 2008 02:47 AM)
He was forcefully beep up the ass.
How can that not be rape? Okay he put himself in a bad situation, but that doesn't mean he deserved it.
If a girl goes into a club full of guys wearing a short skirt and gets raped, some might say she was "asking for it", but she would still have been raped. -
laurie001 — 18 years ago(November 11, 2007 09:19 PM)
back to the original question, of course it was rape. Would he be prosecuted in court?
Of course not.
Justice systems all across the world are exceptionally prejudice against prostitutes of any kind. The rape prosecution percentages in the UK and the US are mind-bogglingly tiny. And they're even smaller for prositutes being raped. Just as it happens in the movie, in real life a prostitute wouldn't even consider going to the authorities- There'd simply be no point. -
gluba2000 — 18 years ago(December 30, 2007 06:10 PM)
It wasn't Neil's fault. Nobody asks to get raped.
You never know what you'll do if you're raped. Some people fight whereas others just freeze up and block out till it's done.
"87% of the Caucasion Persuasion has got it goin' on."
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phasmatrope — 17 years ago(March 07, 2009 02:50 AM)
You've got to be kidding me I don't see how you could not see that scene as rape. If you've locked a door and someone picks it (even in their own house), then immediately proceeds to force themself on you while you're face down in a bathtub while hitting you, that's not exactly consensual, pal.
If the victim was a woman, you'd have NO doubt in your mind that it was rape. -
cota-2 — 17 years ago(March 16, 2009 06:17 PM)
Maybe it's because I'm a guy, or maybe it's because I read the book (in which the rape scene is much more difficult to stomach) but I found the rape in Mysterious Skin far more difficult to watch than the one in Irreversible. I think the distance of the camera in Irreversible may have also made it less claustrophobic and oppressive than in mysterious skin, where you are trapped in the bathroom with them.
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aicfan85 — 16 years ago(February 26, 2010 04:37 AM)
there is never a good reason for an 8 minute rape scene. as soon as the audience gets whats going on a good director will know when to cut the scene. if it keeps going for 8 minutes it means the director has something to prove and needs to have more taste.
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Sanctuary20 — 18 years ago(October 31, 2007 11:02 AM)
Tell me something, Miss Destiny Jade:
how would you feel if, say I met you in a club and we got drunk and I invited you to my house?
And let's say you would fancy me so you would come to my place we would start kissing taking your clothes off and then I would start punching you and stick you-know-what in your mouth and raped you?
Would not that NOT rape because you WILLINGLY came to my house to have sex with me? and willingly removed your clothes? And willingly drink alcohol with me?
Because his was a male prostitute doesn't change the fact that he was forced to have sex with that guy and he beat him up too.
I am sure he could have pressed charges against that horrible guy.
sorry for being harsh but I think that was a good way to explain it to you