American are NOT afraid of sex.
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xpanther2005 — 14 years ago(February 29, 2012 11:49 AM)
After watching this doc, I came in here to vote on it and scan the boards to see what other people were saying.
It seemed a lot of people think that Americans are afraid of the subject of sex and its portrayal on film/tv.
So, that was my opinion on the matter. I'm not surprised YOU think it's bull!
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DisturbedPixie — 14 years ago(February 29, 2012 03:05 PM)
I think there are plenty of Americans that are afraid of seeing sex in films. I can say I can't sit next to my mom and show her some great films, because, I dont want to watch a sex scene with her. That's purely from a personal place, but many people take it in the religious direction, and that accounts for a large group of Americans in Middle America and beyond. They'd rather see a deer get it's head blown off then see two men kiss for 5 seconds.
I would hope that a couple more generations can go by an erase some of this intolerance towards sex, but we will see. I think it's tough when we dont have good policies on sex education.
I just hope that IMDb posters get that we as Americans aren't all the same, and we can not be judged as a whole. And people grow over time as long as they aren't kept in the dark. -
xpanther2005 — 14 years ago(February 29, 2012 05:00 PM)
"Plenty of Americans are afraid of seeing sex on films"?? What are they afraid of? Sex is a natural/human act that all humans perform, for procreation or otherwise, it is not something to be afraid of by Americans or people who "take it in the religious direction".
Please stop this absurdity. There's a huge difference between not wanting to see other people's privates(because they are!) and being afraid of them(the privates).
When you hope newer generations will tolerate more sex on tv/film, one might think this is progress, and the benefits to humanity will be unfathomable!! That was just funny.
The people of planet earth didn't agree on one language or religion, but they have agreed on covering their privates and having sex in private. The sex peddlers hate that agreement.
So, are you a sex peddler or just a customer?
Oh and btw, I don't think your mother is afraid/disgusted by sex, otherwise you would've been the product of that terror and disgust. Now, ponder that for a moment.
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ChanceX74 — 14 years ago(March 02, 2012 06:44 AM)
You seem to be misinterpreting what is meant by "afraid" in this instance (meaning shame (not to mention assuming that by "American's" the commenter means ALL Americains, including you)). It's not that someone outright fears it, it's in how the subject matter is approached and all the stipulations, perceptions, and regulations that are in place because of it in all areas of western culture. America has this strange puritanical / Victorian attitude with sex that is only outmatched by it's obsession with it.
For example, a society that spends an inordinate amount of time fixating on young girls washing your car to raise funds for school, has young children sexualized in beauty pageants, magazine adds, TV shows, and the clothing industry gives more restrictive ratings on films with salacious scenes over wanton destruction. The hot news topics surround the most uncommon sexually oriented news stories. The media badgers Miley Cyrus over what they saw as a "suggestive" photo, professionally done, with her own father.
Showing two people smiling and laughing can get you an NC-17. Rape? Not so much, you'll probably get an R. The implication being that seeing it being given away is harder to handle than watching it being taken.
The people of planet earth didn't agree on one language or religion
American's have settled on English as their language, I think, and yet thee are many different dialects within the states. Southerners have whole different dialect than Northeners, and yet both speak English, and that's without even getting into the differences between American English and British English. To make this statement, even on a world view, shows that you have no understanding of how language works or develops.
but they have agreed on covering their privates and having sex in private.
Ehh nudist beaches exist for a reason, and that's mainly because not everyone feels the same way but that's neither here nor there. The thing is, covering one's body originated in shame. Now days I'd venture to say it's more about not wanting to be subjects to body types one wouldn't themselves find appealing.
In the end, it isn't really about individuals but the society as a whole and there are still a majority of people in this society that adhere to ancient principles regarding sexuality that are rooted in a religious foundation and those who aren't rooted in such adopt those principles to pander to those that do. -
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StillbornSaviour — 14 years ago(March 16, 2012 04:48 PM)
The irony here, dear sir or madam, is that you're precisely the kind of american that is afraid of sex.
Voilence? Sure! Morbid imagery? Go ahead. Graphic debasement and enslavement? Why don't you. But sex? Oh no, I must make posts on the internet conjuring up reasons I don't want to see it in my films!
You're living in a society founded on puritanical ideas where it's considered more harmful for children to see a flash of underwear than someone having his head caved in with an axe. Go figure. -
xpanther2005 — 14 years ago(March 16, 2012 07:09 PM)
First of all, all the graphic vilonce on film/TV is fake. So, we know nobody got shot or decapitated.
Sex on the other hand is not fake. Those are real people who agree to show their bodies and engage in some erotic activities just for the pleasue of the viewer.
So, don't compare my insensitivity to red corn syrup and plastic swords to my anger at why would we "debase" men and women by asking them to perform sex in public.
And this has nothing to do with where I live. It's my own opinion.
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StillbornSaviour — 14 years ago(March 17, 2012 03:29 AM)
Sex on film is just as fake as death and violence on film.
Now you're just saying you're uncomfortable looking at naked bodies. Underscoring the point I made in my first post. Violence is ok. The human body is not.
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xpanther2005 — 14 years ago(March 17, 2012 05:45 AM)
The nakedness on film is NOT fake. Actors get naked for "real". Kiss and fondle for "real". Whether they are "really" passionate or not is not the point.
It's the idea that you pay someone to take their clothes off, so other people can see their "privates", is degrading, and downright prostitution. This is slavery at its worst.
Your boss can't make you take your clothes off at work(unless you work at a brothel!) so why would you not protest the indignity that another human being is suffering at the hand of a deviant producer/director.
The fact is, only pimps and "johns" are the advocates of the sex trade. Where a human being is only an object of sexuality, deprived of their self worth and respect, made to undress and "perform" for a price.
A decent human being will not allow the public humiliation of another person. They will not cheer it on, or ask to see more.
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StillbornSaviour — 14 years ago(March 17, 2012 01:18 PM)
Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. Nakedness is not the same thing as sex.
And "slavery at its worst"? Are you freaking kidding me? Ever heard of african slave boats? Suffering at the hands of deviants? Please. Actors are commonly better paid than directors, and if they don't wanna do a sex scene, they're free not to take the part. Also, suddenly actors are prostitutes? Are you sure you're not confusing films with porn?
And this is in defense of the argument that americans arent afraid of sex. Way to undermine yourself, bud. -
xpanther2005 — 14 years ago(March 17, 2012 05:35 PM)
"White slavery"(look it up) IS slavery at its worst. It's all around us in different disguises.
FYI, lookup the words prostitute and pornography in a dictionary, and we'll see who's confused.
And not that it matters, but out of the tens of thousands of actors, over the years, who were made to be naked or engage in any sort of sexual activity in front of the camera, how many of them were super stars (the ones who got paid very well)??. BE REAL! Most of them sold their dignities for pennies.
Would you like it if your wife/daughter/mother/sister took her clothes off in front of millions of people, and have someone "pretend" to have sex with her? Like they say: "Ars gratia artis"
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StillbornSaviour — 14 years ago(March 18, 2012 12:34 AM)
I like how you veer further and further from the original topic.
So now we've gone from the subject of nudity in films to the subject of sexual labour (In which, by the way, white people are a minority. Don't fool yourself otherwise). And you don't even seem to realise the difference. I think I'll drop the discussion here, since it won't lead anywhere. You've decided all forms of nudity is the devil's work, and noone can convince you otherwise.
Oh, and by the way, only an american would take a pretentious faux-latin phrase, take it out of context, and use it to support their flawed arguments. Well played. -
Frostrose — 13 years ago(June 22, 2012 09:09 PM)
I agree with the OP. It is a fact that the nudity made to entice the (especially the immature male) viewer is real and portrayed in sexual situations or for no reason at all. It is not the "natural" kind. These are just the typical lame arguments from mostly guys who always defend the unnecessary nudity/sex on film, probably because they LIKE it.
Watching someone get shot on film next to someone else is different and less awkward than watching sex scenes. The violence is fake/acted, nudity is not and sometimes not even the sex is faked
These actors are practically whores because they get paid to undress and simulate sex and theres's a lot of perverts out there getting off on it. How is that different from a prostitute?
Also, Americans are hardly afraid of sex or nudity when they have the biggest porn industry + HBO and those beep channels. -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(June 23, 2012 06:25 PM)
."These actors are practically whores because they get paid to undress and simulate sex "..
I'm glad someone out there sees it for what it really is. Kudos for being real.
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xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(June 27, 2012 06:06 PM)
Debasing, per the dict., reduces the value or quality of something.
Humans have always felt undignified if they have, publicly, lost the coverings to their "privates". And to force someone to be naked in front of others have always been synonymous with slavery/prostitution/punishment etc.
The main reason that a person takes their clothes off, willingly, on camera, for a multitude of strangers, is(wait for it). THEY ARE GETTING PAID!
So, by bartering one's dignity for the dirt that is money, IS DEBASEMENT.
If you say they are not doing it for the money, then ask them to open their houses for people to come in and feast on their nakedness, free of charge.
Don't kid yourself, no healthy human doesn't find the naked body sexually attractive. But by bombarding us with images of the naked body, eventually it will reduce the quality of our healthy body. (checked your inbox lately?!!)
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killacozzy — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 02:27 PM)
No, not all humans have ALWAYS felt undiginified while not dressed publicly.
And no, forcing someone to be naked in front of others has not ALWAYS been synonymous with slavery/prostitution/punishment/etc.
And no, the main reason that a person does nude scenes in films is not ALWAYS because they are getting paid.
You make a lot of value assumptions.
Children have no problem with nudity until they are taught to cover themselves with clothes. Modesty is a learned behavior. Just look at many tribal cultures in Africa or Southeast Asia. What teenage American hasn't gasped in immature glee at seeing the bare breasts of some African girl in National Geographic?
And actors in indie films frequently do nude and sex scenes for no up-front fee because they want the opportunity to play the role. Acting is, after all, something that people do for fun. Even pro-bono community theaters sometimes have nude scenes.
Yes, the naked human body is usually something to be found to be sexually attractive. Yes, sex scenes can be considered sexually arousing.
So even if both of these last two facts are assumed true, what inherently makes the oral sex scene in "The Brown Bunny" any more gratuitous than the realistic depiction of a soldier bleeding to death from bullet wounds to the abdomen in "Saving Private Ryan"? -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 06:40 PM)
You're arguing for the sake of argument. Period.
If, out of the 7 billion people on planet earth, there are few hundreds(or thousands) of African or southeast Asian tribes that decided to walk around naked, it does not make that a normal human behaviour. So, the American teenagers "gasping" is normal but your surprise at their bahaviour is "not normal".
Also, if very few actors take their clothes off for the sake of "art" and not getting paid for it, is not the norm for the multitudes of tens of thousands of actors around the world who do it for money.
And for the millionth time, violence in movies are not real. How old are you?
It's a felony to cause bodily harm to another person. Realistic depiction does NOT mean it was real. The soldier was not "really" bleeding, there was no bullet in his abdomen. He is not even a real soldier!!
If you're very young (under 10) and don't know how they shoot blood and gore scenes in movies, then ask your mommy to rent a behind-the-scene dvd for you.
If you benefit from sexual depictions on film/tv then admit it and demand it, that's your prerogative. Perhaps you'll feel more at home amongst the tribes of Africa or SE Asia. WI-FI might be a problem, though.
A genius amongst morons is just another moron.