American are NOT afraid of sex.
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StillbornSaviour — 14 years ago(March 16, 2012 04:48 PM)
The irony here, dear sir or madam, is that you're precisely the kind of american that is afraid of sex.
Voilence? Sure! Morbid imagery? Go ahead. Graphic debasement and enslavement? Why don't you. But sex? Oh no, I must make posts on the internet conjuring up reasons I don't want to see it in my films!
You're living in a society founded on puritanical ideas where it's considered more harmful for children to see a flash of underwear than someone having his head caved in with an axe. Go figure. -
xpanther2005 — 14 years ago(March 16, 2012 07:09 PM)
First of all, all the graphic vilonce on film/TV is fake. So, we know nobody got shot or decapitated.
Sex on the other hand is not fake. Those are real people who agree to show their bodies and engage in some erotic activities just for the pleasue of the viewer.
So, don't compare my insensitivity to red corn syrup and plastic swords to my anger at why would we "debase" men and women by asking them to perform sex in public.
And this has nothing to do with where I live. It's my own opinion.
A genius amongst morons is just another moron. -
StillbornSaviour — 14 years ago(March 17, 2012 03:29 AM)
Sex on film is just as fake as death and violence on film.
Now you're just saying you're uncomfortable looking at naked bodies. Underscoring the point I made in my first post. Violence is ok. The human body is not.
That's a pretty twisted state of mind. -
xpanther2005 — 14 years ago(March 17, 2012 05:45 AM)
The nakedness on film is NOT fake. Actors get naked for "real". Kiss and fondle for "real". Whether they are "really" passionate or not is not the point.
It's the idea that you pay someone to take their clothes off, so other people can see their "privates", is degrading, and downright prostitution. This is slavery at its worst.
Your boss can't make you take your clothes off at work(unless you work at a brothel!) so why would you not protest the indignity that another human being is suffering at the hand of a deviant producer/director.
The fact is, only pimps and "johns" are the advocates of the sex trade. Where a human being is only an object of sexuality, deprived of their self worth and respect, made to undress and "perform" for a price.
A decent human being will not allow the public humiliation of another person. They will not cheer it on, or ask to see more.
A genius amongst morons is just another moron. -
StillbornSaviour — 14 years ago(March 17, 2012 01:18 PM)
Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. Nakedness is not the same thing as sex.
And "slavery at its worst"? Are you freaking kidding me? Ever heard of african slave boats? Suffering at the hands of deviants? Please. Actors are commonly better paid than directors, and if they don't wanna do a sex scene, they're free not to take the part. Also, suddenly actors are prostitutes? Are you sure you're not confusing films with porn?
And this is in defense of the argument that americans arent afraid of sex. Way to undermine yourself, bud. -
xpanther2005 — 14 years ago(March 17, 2012 05:35 PM)
"White slavery"(look it up) IS slavery at its worst. It's all around us in different disguises.
FYI, lookup the words prostitute and pornography in a dictionary, and we'll see who's confused.
And not that it matters, but out of the tens of thousands of actors, over the years, who were made to be naked or engage in any sort of sexual activity in front of the camera, how many of them were super stars (the ones who got paid very well)??. BE REAL! Most of them sold their dignities for pennies.
Would you like it if your wife/daughter/mother/sister took her clothes off in front of millions of people, and have someone "pretend" to have sex with her? Like they say: "Ars gratia artis"
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StillbornSaviour — 14 years ago(March 18, 2012 12:34 AM)
I like how you veer further and further from the original topic.
So now we've gone from the subject of nudity in films to the subject of sexual labour (In which, by the way, white people are a minority. Don't fool yourself otherwise). And you don't even seem to realise the difference. I think I'll drop the discussion here, since it won't lead anywhere. You've decided all forms of nudity is the devil's work, and noone can convince you otherwise.
Oh, and by the way, only an american would take a pretentious faux-latin phrase, take it out of context, and use it to support their flawed arguments. Well played. -
Frostrose — 13 years ago(June 22, 2012 09:09 PM)
I agree with the OP. It is a fact that the nudity made to entice the (especially the immature male) viewer is real and portrayed in sexual situations or for no reason at all. It is not the "natural" kind. These are just the typical lame arguments from mostly guys who always defend the unnecessary nudity/sex on film, probably because they LIKE it.
Watching someone get shot on film next to someone else is different and less awkward than watching sex scenes. The violence is fake/acted, nudity is not and sometimes not even the sex is faked
These actors are practically whores because they get paid to undress and simulate sex and theres's a lot of perverts out there getting off on it. How is that different from a prostitute?
Also, Americans are hardly afraid of sex or nudity when they have the biggest porn industry + HBO and those beep channels. -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(June 23, 2012 06:25 PM)
."These actors are practically whores because they get paid to undress and simulate sex "..
I'm glad someone out there sees it for what it really is. Kudos for being real.
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xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(June 27, 2012 06:06 PM)
Debasing, per the dict., reduces the value or quality of something.
Humans have always felt undignified if they have, publicly, lost the coverings to their "privates". And to force someone to be naked in front of others have always been synonymous with slavery/prostitution/punishment etc.
The main reason that a person takes their clothes off, willingly, on camera, for a multitude of strangers, is(wait for it). THEY ARE GETTING PAID!
So, by bartering one's dignity for the dirt that is money, IS DEBASEMENT.
If you say they are not doing it for the money, then ask them to open their houses for people to come in and feast on their nakedness, free of charge.
Don't kid yourself, no healthy human doesn't find the naked body sexually attractive. But by bombarding us with images of the naked body, eventually it will reduce the quality of our healthy body. (checked your inbox lately?!!)
A genius amongst morons is just another moron. -
killacozzy — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 02:27 PM)
No, not all humans have ALWAYS felt undiginified while not dressed publicly.
And no, forcing someone to be naked in front of others has not ALWAYS been synonymous with slavery/prostitution/punishment/etc.
And no, the main reason that a person does nude scenes in films is not ALWAYS because they are getting paid.
You make a lot of value assumptions.
Children have no problem with nudity until they are taught to cover themselves with clothes. Modesty is a learned behavior. Just look at many tribal cultures in Africa or Southeast Asia. What teenage American hasn't gasped in immature glee at seeing the bare breasts of some African girl in National Geographic?
And actors in indie films frequently do nude and sex scenes for no up-front fee because they want the opportunity to play the role. Acting is, after all, something that people do for fun. Even pro-bono community theaters sometimes have nude scenes.
Yes, the naked human body is usually something to be found to be sexually attractive. Yes, sex scenes can be considered sexually arousing.
So even if both of these last two facts are assumed true, what inherently makes the oral sex scene in "The Brown Bunny" any more gratuitous than the realistic depiction of a soldier bleeding to death from bullet wounds to the abdomen in "Saving Private Ryan"? -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 06:40 PM)
You're arguing for the sake of argument. Period.
If, out of the 7 billion people on planet earth, there are few hundreds(or thousands) of African or southeast Asian tribes that decided to walk around naked, it does not make that a normal human behaviour. So, the American teenagers "gasping" is normal but your surprise at their bahaviour is "not normal".
Also, if very few actors take their clothes off for the sake of "art" and not getting paid for it, is not the norm for the multitudes of tens of thousands of actors around the world who do it for money.
And for the millionth time, violence in movies are not real. How old are you?
It's a felony to cause bodily harm to another person. Realistic depiction does NOT mean it was real. The soldier was not "really" bleeding, there was no bullet in his abdomen. He is not even a real soldier!!
If you're very young (under 10) and don't know how they shoot blood and gore scenes in movies, then ask your mommy to rent a behind-the-scene dvd for you.
If you benefit from sexual depictions on film/tv then admit it and demand it, that's your prerogative. Perhaps you'll feel more at home amongst the tribes of Africa or SE Asia. WI-FI might be a problem, though.
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killacozzy — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 08:56 PM)
SIGH
Walking around naked is indeed normal human behavior. Is it an unfortunate taboo in Western civilization to be nude in public? You bet. Except when bathing. Or having sex. Anywhere but publicly. Except infants and toddlers and some children. And adults on many nude beaches world-wide. And when breast-feeding. Oh! And women and men can both be legally topless in public in the state of New York. (You know, maybe it isn't as taboo in the Western world as we think.)
Did you know at one time that interracial marriage was abnormal? Should depictions of interracial marriage have been kept from filmgoers due to being aberrant? Would "Jungle Fever" be considered relationship smut?
I'm not sure which industry you work in, but most actors do not get paid. Of the approximately eight independent feature films produced just in my locality over the past few years, half were unpaid and half were paid projects. Of the paid projects, none had nudity or sex scenes. Of the unpaid projects, two have had nudity and sex. Go figure.
We all know that violence in movies is fake. (Except the method actors who ask to really be punched in some scenes.) And that nudity is real. But the sex is almost always fake. Except in very rare films like "Shortbus". So nudity is the real issue. Would it be any less debasing if the nudity were fake as well? CGI bodies, perhaps?
Now, if adult nudity is debasing, would the same not be applied to children and babies in films? Should babies be born with clothes in movies? Or are childbirth scenes in general debasing? And since babies can't make the choice to appear nude in movies or not, are they technically prostitutes with stage moms for pimps? Isn't that technically sex trade, and a felony?
Watching violence in a film is no different from watching sex in a film. It's no different from watching a character-driven narrative film or an avant-garde plotless film. They're all forms of entertainment.
I personally find religious mythology depicted as fact in cinema to be terribly offensive. But that's my subjective opinion. Religion is not debasing, because although I think it's a form of slavery, some people openly choose to subject themselves to it. I can simply choose not to watch these offensive films, spreading their offensive messages, and let them have their fun without me.
Nudity and sexuality are not a European thing or an American thing. They're a human thing. So let me and the hundreds of millions of humans out there be okay with nudity and sexuality in cinema. -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 11:28 PM)
I see where you going with this, and it's not my destination.
Further discussion is pointless since we're leading different journeys and going to different places.
Only the unknown future will tell if one us rode on the wrong train.
A genius amongst morons is just another moron. -
Death163 — 13 years ago(February 13, 2013 06:02 PM)
You do realize in Hollywood sex scene's there's no actual penetration or actual sex involved don't you????
Your logic i flawed because basically you're saying it would be OK to show boogie knights on TV uncensored because mark wahlberg shows a fake penis instead of his real one so it isn't real the same with the sex scene which are all fake so it's OK to show those on TV but you think the worlds going to end if a breast is shown?????
"The People Of America Have Spoken THE REAL TITLE TOWN U.S.A IS VALDOSTA GEORGIA" -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(February 15, 2013 07:56 PM)
The "depiction" of sex on film/TV is real because it involves "real" human beings who are "really" naked in front of the camera, pretending they are lovers/partners(or whatever) and showing you(the viewer) their naked bodies.
You wouldn't take your clothes off at work just to tell your co-workers that you took a shower in the morning. So why do we ask actors to undress in front of the whole world to tell an audience that the characters are in love?
You don't need to see your parents having sex to know they are in love! You don't ask your wife to have sex with in front of all your friends to profess her deep affections. You don't ask a stranger to take their clothes off in front of eveyone in the mall so everyone can appreciate the beauty of their flawless body and connect with our human roots!
And if you pay someone to take their clothes off it's called prostitution. Whether you give them the money directly or by purchasing a movie ticket.
Please, BE REAL. Stop the BS, and call things as they are.
A genius amongst morons is just another moron. -
Death163 — 13 years ago(February 18, 2013 02:29 PM)
No it's not you *ucking moron prostitution is the act of paying for sex not just for taking there cloths off other wise porn would be illegal so would strip clubs not only that using your logic buying someone dinner and hoping for sex like most people call a DATE would be illegal as well please learn the difference so you don't look stupid.
So we all have to act like children and imagine that couples in movies don't ever have sex because you can't act like an adult and realize that sex is a beautiful thing???? sounds like your the one with the problem maybe you should try stepping into 2013 with us and leaving the 1800's prude.
"The People Of America Have Spoken THE REAL TITLE TOWN U.S.A IS VALDOSTA GEORGIA"