American are NOT afraid of sex.
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xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(June 23, 2012 06:25 PM)
."These actors are practically whores because they get paid to undress and simulate sex "..
I'm glad someone out there sees it for what it really is. Kudos for being real.
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xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(June 27, 2012 06:06 PM)
Debasing, per the dict., reduces the value or quality of something.
Humans have always felt undignified if they have, publicly, lost the coverings to their "privates". And to force someone to be naked in front of others have always been synonymous with slavery/prostitution/punishment etc.
The main reason that a person takes their clothes off, willingly, on camera, for a multitude of strangers, is(wait for it). THEY ARE GETTING PAID!
So, by bartering one's dignity for the dirt that is money, IS DEBASEMENT.
If you say they are not doing it for the money, then ask them to open their houses for people to come in and feast on their nakedness, free of charge.
Don't kid yourself, no healthy human doesn't find the naked body sexually attractive. But by bombarding us with images of the naked body, eventually it will reduce the quality of our healthy body. (checked your inbox lately?!!)
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killacozzy — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 02:27 PM)
No, not all humans have ALWAYS felt undiginified while not dressed publicly.
And no, forcing someone to be naked in front of others has not ALWAYS been synonymous with slavery/prostitution/punishment/etc.
And no, the main reason that a person does nude scenes in films is not ALWAYS because they are getting paid.
You make a lot of value assumptions.
Children have no problem with nudity until they are taught to cover themselves with clothes. Modesty is a learned behavior. Just look at many tribal cultures in Africa or Southeast Asia. What teenage American hasn't gasped in immature glee at seeing the bare breasts of some African girl in National Geographic?
And actors in indie films frequently do nude and sex scenes for no up-front fee because they want the opportunity to play the role. Acting is, after all, something that people do for fun. Even pro-bono community theaters sometimes have nude scenes.
Yes, the naked human body is usually something to be found to be sexually attractive. Yes, sex scenes can be considered sexually arousing.
So even if both of these last two facts are assumed true, what inherently makes the oral sex scene in "The Brown Bunny" any more gratuitous than the realistic depiction of a soldier bleeding to death from bullet wounds to the abdomen in "Saving Private Ryan"? -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 06:40 PM)
You're arguing for the sake of argument. Period.
If, out of the 7 billion people on planet earth, there are few hundreds(or thousands) of African or southeast Asian tribes that decided to walk around naked, it does not make that a normal human behaviour. So, the American teenagers "gasping" is normal but your surprise at their bahaviour is "not normal".
Also, if very few actors take their clothes off for the sake of "art" and not getting paid for it, is not the norm for the multitudes of tens of thousands of actors around the world who do it for money.
And for the millionth time, violence in movies are not real. How old are you?
It's a felony to cause bodily harm to another person. Realistic depiction does NOT mean it was real. The soldier was not "really" bleeding, there was no bullet in his abdomen. He is not even a real soldier!!
If you're very young (under 10) and don't know how they shoot blood and gore scenes in movies, then ask your mommy to rent a behind-the-scene dvd for you.
If you benefit from sexual depictions on film/tv then admit it and demand it, that's your prerogative. Perhaps you'll feel more at home amongst the tribes of Africa or SE Asia. WI-FI might be a problem, though.
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killacozzy — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 08:56 PM)
SIGH
Walking around naked is indeed normal human behavior. Is it an unfortunate taboo in Western civilization to be nude in public? You bet. Except when bathing. Or having sex. Anywhere but publicly. Except infants and toddlers and some children. And adults on many nude beaches world-wide. And when breast-feeding. Oh! And women and men can both be legally topless in public in the state of New York. (You know, maybe it isn't as taboo in the Western world as we think.)
Did you know at one time that interracial marriage was abnormal? Should depictions of interracial marriage have been kept from filmgoers due to being aberrant? Would "Jungle Fever" be considered relationship smut?
I'm not sure which industry you work in, but most actors do not get paid. Of the approximately eight independent feature films produced just in my locality over the past few years, half were unpaid and half were paid projects. Of the paid projects, none had nudity or sex scenes. Of the unpaid projects, two have had nudity and sex. Go figure.
We all know that violence in movies is fake. (Except the method actors who ask to really be punched in some scenes.) And that nudity is real. But the sex is almost always fake. Except in very rare films like "Shortbus". So nudity is the real issue. Would it be any less debasing if the nudity were fake as well? CGI bodies, perhaps?
Now, if adult nudity is debasing, would the same not be applied to children and babies in films? Should babies be born with clothes in movies? Or are childbirth scenes in general debasing? And since babies can't make the choice to appear nude in movies or not, are they technically prostitutes with stage moms for pimps? Isn't that technically sex trade, and a felony?
Watching violence in a film is no different from watching sex in a film. It's no different from watching a character-driven narrative film or an avant-garde plotless film. They're all forms of entertainment.
I personally find religious mythology depicted as fact in cinema to be terribly offensive. But that's my subjective opinion. Religion is not debasing, because although I think it's a form of slavery, some people openly choose to subject themselves to it. I can simply choose not to watch these offensive films, spreading their offensive messages, and let them have their fun without me.
Nudity and sexuality are not a European thing or an American thing. They're a human thing. So let me and the hundreds of millions of humans out there be okay with nudity and sexuality in cinema. -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 11:28 PM)
I see where you going with this, and it's not my destination.
Further discussion is pointless since we're leading different journeys and going to different places.
Only the unknown future will tell if one us rode on the wrong train.
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Death163 — 13 years ago(February 13, 2013 06:02 PM)
You do realize in Hollywood sex scene's there's no actual penetration or actual sex involved don't you????
Your logic i flawed because basically you're saying it would be OK to show boogie knights on TV uncensored because mark wahlberg shows a fake penis instead of his real one so it isn't real the same with the sex scene which are all fake so it's OK to show those on TV but you think the worlds going to end if a breast is shown?????
"The People Of America Have Spoken THE REAL TITLE TOWN U.S.A IS VALDOSTA GEORGIA" -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(February 15, 2013 07:56 PM)
The "depiction" of sex on film/TV is real because it involves "real" human beings who are "really" naked in front of the camera, pretending they are lovers/partners(or whatever) and showing you(the viewer) their naked bodies.
You wouldn't take your clothes off at work just to tell your co-workers that you took a shower in the morning. So why do we ask actors to undress in front of the whole world to tell an audience that the characters are in love?
You don't need to see your parents having sex to know they are in love! You don't ask your wife to have sex with in front of all your friends to profess her deep affections. You don't ask a stranger to take their clothes off in front of eveyone in the mall so everyone can appreciate the beauty of their flawless body and connect with our human roots!
And if you pay someone to take their clothes off it's called prostitution. Whether you give them the money directly or by purchasing a movie ticket.
Please, BE REAL. Stop the BS, and call things as they are.
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Death163 — 13 years ago(February 18, 2013 02:29 PM)
No it's not you *ucking moron prostitution is the act of paying for sex not just for taking there cloths off other wise porn would be illegal so would strip clubs not only that using your logic buying someone dinner and hoping for sex like most people call a DATE would be illegal as well please learn the difference so you don't look stupid.
So we all have to act like children and imagine that couples in movies don't ever have sex because you can't act like an adult and realize that sex is a beautiful thing???? sounds like your the one with the problem maybe you should try stepping into 2013 with us and leaving the 1800's prude.
"The People Of America Have Spoken THE REAL TITLE TOWN U.S.A IS VALDOSTA GEORGIA" -
xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(February 19, 2013 06:55 PM)
Porn is legal?
Don't answer that.
It's not illegal to marry your cousin in some countries. It's not illegal to throw your parents/elders out of your house/your care in some countries. It's not illegal to have sex outside of marriage(adultrey) in many countries. And the list is long
Just because a locality decided to legalize porn or the free display of sex on TV/film does change what they are(PROSTITUTION). You can live in 4013 A.D and keep the same human values and morals that good moral people had back in 4013 B.C
And yes, sex is a beautiful thing(probably the best thing!) but it's a private matter. Done in privacy, not because it's shameful but rather because it's meant to be exclusive.
If you didn't know that, I pitty you. I truly do.
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Death163 — 13 years ago(February 20, 2013 01:54 PM)
Yes porn is legal and has been since it existed also just so you know porn is in paintings and drawings as far back as the egyptians maybe you should pull your head out of the B.C's and join us in the modern age grand ma.
In what country are you forced to provide housing for anyone other then your children and possibly your wife/husband?????
OR better yet in what free country is adultery against the law????
Id say incest is pretty much illegal in every advanced country.
Please pick up a dictionary and look up the words porn and prostitution they are not one and the same ones free speech the other involves paying someone TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU i'm pretty sure the people who make and watch porn aren't paying anyone to have sex with them are they not????
If you hate my freedom of speech and expression so much and which to live in the B.C's then go live in Iran where they rule from religion the rest of us will continue to live and be happy in america where THERE'S A SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE meaning YOU CAN'T MAKE RELIGIOUS LAW if you don't like that then move to Iran where i suspect you'll be much happier.
So everyone should be forced to live by your morals and standards???? even if they think differently??? you actually think you have any right to tell anyone else how to live there lives???? if so you're insane and im done you go going the west boro baptist church i think you'd fit in there.
"The People Of America Have Spoken THE REAL TITLE TOWN U.S.A IS VALDOSTA GEORGIA" -
TheManInOil — 14 years ago(March 28, 2012 06:31 PM)
Nonsense. Although you may be right that some competing filmmakers use sex to sell their movies, there's no question that Americans as a culture have an unreasonable fear of sex in its depiction, the act itself, and even in talking about it.
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afdrucifer — 13 years ago(November 29, 2012 11:56 AM)
It all comes down to the political ties of the religious right in this country. The tend to have a stick shoved up their collected butts against sex and nudity yet violence is more than ok. If the Bible had been filled with more than Sodom and Gamorrah(? on spelling)sex would be an easier sell.
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xpanther2005 — 13 years ago(November 29, 2012 01:12 PM)
I'm not sure about the Sodom & Gomorrah reference, I don't think the Bible was trying to sell sex!
Anyways, the point is very simple here. Violence in films or video gamaes are not real, but the nakedness and sexual activities between strangers(i.e the actors) are real.
A 5 year old knows that people in the movie didn't just die or lose a limb for real. So please don't say "violence is more than ok" It's not REAL.
It's just an old argument started by the sex peddlers. And unfortunately it made vilonce(the one on film) synanomous with sex.
I don't understand why people can't see it. It's not OK to get naked in front of others(through a camera or otherwise)or perfom any kind of sexual activities publicly. It degrades and humiliate the performer, it's slavery in the most cunning form. And, as a society we need to prtect the weak.
Otherwise, what good are we?
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afdrucifer — 13 years ago(November 29, 2012 05:44 PM)
the s&g reference was because its really the biggest section on sex and its what people reference when talking about God's views on sex. The bible if ever filmed in totality would be a shocking, violent piece of torture porn; its a brutal book. the sad reality is that sex has been so demonized by the religious right in this country that it's shocking we have a population at all.
Art is open to interpretation what I consider art others call crap and vice versa. But sex is arguably why we are here on earth and is a far more natural expression of humanity than cutting a persons head off(though sadly an alien streaming through the news might think otherwise.) Also sex is representative of love something we need more of in this world less hate more mate.
Really though, a consenting adult signing onto a film knowing they have to strip down and (pardon the expression)dry hump a stranger are making a conscious decision to do so hardly a form of slavery.
I appreciate the discourse my friend it was polite and well thought out may not agree with it but your respectful tone is appreciated. too often know-it-all jerks respond sitting on their pedestals flinging vitriol and and excrement just to boost their sagging egos.