What the F happened to Eli Roth?
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jackthehack — 10 years ago(October 14, 2015 05:07 PM)
I don't mind gore. In fact, I admit I watch gory movies from time to time. But it has to be one of the items on the menu. The Thing by John Carpenter is incredibly gory but it has some of the most suspenseful scenes ever.
Roth's best work to date remains the Thanksgiving trailer from Grindhouse. It was wickedly funny, gory and had some disturbing moments. It showed potential which he hasn't realized yet.
What really annoys me is the poster of Clown claiming as 'from master of horror, Eli Roth'. If Roth is to be considered the master of horror, then I guess we should ring the alarm bells.
I don't doubt Roth's passion for the genre but he has done zilch to be considered as master.
Even Fulci who is mocked for making gore flicks had a knack of extracting suspense. Roth is yet to demonstrate that. -
xwolven — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 11:37 AM)
Agree with all of this 100% You took the words right out of my head ever since Hostel. Eli Roth is very very average in the history of great horror film directors. And John Carpenter is a true master! The Thing is one of my all time favorite horror films. Pretty much everything Carpenter made was excellent up until Ghosts on Mars. He kinda lost it at that point. Also that vampires movie he did. Can't remember which came out first.
Calling Eli Roth a master of horror is just regurgitating false marketing propaganda -
sqrrlface — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 03:43 PM)
Would this even be considered a "gore movie"? I tend to think of films like The Burning Moon and Flower of Flesh and Blood as "gore movies", not this. You can't have a movie be rated R and call it a "gore movie". It's like when people say that Rob Zombie creates the most shocking movies when really they are tame in comparison to the true contenders.
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psychopathyrd — 10 years ago(October 17, 2015 09:12 PM)
Then go watch Paranormal Activity 17. Gore is a huge reason I enjoy the horror genre. The paranormal ghost nonsense mostly uninteresting to me.
Since you've commented on Roth's previous work, you must be a glutton for punishment. (Or you just like to B*tch and moan) -
activista — 10 years ago(November 07, 2015 02:49 PM)
@psychopathyd
Honestly, gore in horror movies has become tired and boring as all hell nowit used to be shocking, not it's just something horror filmmakers throw in when they can't come up with a really decent story around,that's all. Gore has become a shortcut for some wanna-be horror filmmakers with no talentor those who haven't shone any yet. . -
mel2000 — 10 years ago(January 12, 2016 04:59 AM)
Then go watch Paranormal Activity 17. Gore is a huge reason I enjoy the horror genre. The paranormal ghost nonsense mostly uninteresting to me.
Obviously you're not a fan of suspense or dread buildup. Gore on its own is a shallow premise for watching a movie. Your choice and your loss. -
psychopathyrd — 9 years ago(April 14, 2016 01:02 AM)
Obviously you're not a fan of suspense or dread buildup. Gore on its own is a shallow premise for watching a movie. Your choice and your loss.
I'm a fan of suspense when the subject matter is something that has or could actually happen in real life. Without that aspect, it's not even horror to me. Maybe for a teenage girl these ghost/possession movies are "horrifying." I'm more inclined to like the serial killer, slasher-esque horror films, for the realism factor.
I prefer slashers with actual maniacal killers. Also suspense and gore do not have to be mutually exclusive. In fact, for an epic horror movie fitting my tastes both are necessary. It's all about proportion and execution. -
joodense — 9 years ago(July 26, 2016 08:52 PM)
That's what I was thinking when's the last time y'all watched cabin fever or hostel? His movies have always been this goofy. That said I wonder what it says about him he likes to put his wife in these horrible situations in his films. I do enjoy them. Knock knock was more fun tho
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grindovermatter — 10 years ago(October 19, 2015 03:13 PM)
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grindovermatter — 10 years ago(October 19, 2015 05:40 PM)
Prepare the attack!
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grindovermatter — 10 years ago(October 19, 2015 03:14 PM)
Henry Swanson's my name and excitement's my game!
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grazeswithgoats — 10 years ago(October 13, 2015 09:04 PM)
You should check out Hemlock Grove before writing him off. I'm a long time fan of ER and it will probably go down in my book as his best work. Jury is still out on that as the final season, 3, is about to be released. And the people showing up to bash ER are just like soooooooo lame.
So says The Goats!
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douces — 10 years ago(October 18, 2015 09:56 AM)
Check out Hemlock Grove? It's horribly written, filmed, and acted mess. It's the first Netflix Original show to be canceled. Netflix is clearly embarrassed by that mess as they reduced the episode count, canceled it after season 2, and now are basically burying the release of season 3.
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grazeswithgoats — 10 years ago(October 19, 2015 09:57 AM)
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong. That's your opinion, fine. I find it an amazingly fresh horror spin with mystery as enchanting as Twin Peaks. If being cancelled means it's bad you have no taste whatsoever. Season 3 wraps up the show, and has been planned as such for over a year. It's entirely possible Roth wants to complete it and move on, or that Famke Jansen feels the same.
So says The Goats!
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douces — 10 years ago(October 20, 2015 06:47 PM)
How can my opinion be wrong? It's just an opinion on something subjective. The acting, writing, cinematography are horrific. I can give you specific examples for each even.
If being cancelled means it's bad you have no taste whatsoever
This makes little to no sense. What does a show being cancelled have to do with my taste? Huh? If you think Hemlock Grove is a good show YOU have no taste whatsoever.
Roth has very little involvement in the show, so even he wanted to back out (why would he?) the show could continue without him. Why did Netflix bury the release of the current season (the trailer went up just two weeks before it premieres)?
Sure, you can make up all the excuses you want, but the evidence starts to add up that Netflix was embarrassed by Hemlock Grove:- Horrible critical reception for the show
- Episode count reduced to 10 after first season
- First Netflix Original show to be cancelled
- Final season being released without promotion
- The planned book series was also cancelled
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grazeswithgoats — 10 years ago(October 20, 2015 07:55 PM)
Need to decide if you associate cancellation and critical acclaim with quality or not. You chose to chime in on my recommendation, and I love the show regardless. Plans and pacing change when ratings aren't there. Take Bates Motel, Vera Farmiga is killing it as Norma Bates and overall it's a magnificent show, yet ratings are barely enough to keep it alive. I couldn't care less about ratings, which ultimately leads to cancellations. If you need someone with an agenda to tell you a show is good that's your choice. Johnny Depp has never won an Oscar, and I think he's a greatest of all time..
So says The Goats!
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douces — 10 years ago(October 22, 2015 01:20 PM)
Need to decide if you associate cancellation and critical acclaim with quality or not. You chose to chime in on my recommendation, and I love the show regardless. Plans and pacing change when ratings aren't there
No, I don't think it is necessarily associated with the quality of the show, but I do think Netflix is embarrassed by the low quality of the show. Why else would they bury the final season? We also don't know if the ratings for Hemlock Grove are bad (the only info ever released on them indicated they were good) as Netflix does not make revenue from in-show advertisements.
The reviews are also SO bad and so abundant that one has to take note. Keep in mind, I am one of the biggest Famke Janssen fans out there, so I was pumped and promoting the show everywhere (that is until I saw it). I would also include Cabin Fever in my top 100 favourite horror films of all time, so it's not like I have some bias against those involved. I just truly think it is a terrible show.
First review for season 3 is in, and, what a shock, it's horrible. Never could have predicted that one!
http://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/hemlock-grove-season-3-review/
And this review is kind compared to some of the reviews of season 1 like the one from the
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/emhemlock-groveem-96734
which is quite funny.