This is from another forum.
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mh-newressistance — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 03:39 PM)
Marvel made 10 billion that includes obscure Marvel properties that didnt feature RDJ..
It doesn't really matter, since those properties belong to a worldwide brand that is beloved and recognized by millions. Nowadays brands are more substantial than the characters which those brands have. It's the brand that makes those movies as successful as they are, not the movies themselves. You can't say that Rogue One managed to be such a success because people liked the movie. If it wasn't for the brand, people wouldn't care. -
Verdugo85 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 01:36 PM)
Aquaman, The Flash and Cyborg solos wouldnt had made those "2 billions" if they had started the DCEU but WB knew that, thats why they started with their big guns but then those big guns got destroyed in a Civil War
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 03:18 PM)
Don't even bother with Verdugo. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
He still doesn't understand that Marvel pays RDJ the big bucks because he's a huge draw for whatever movie he's in. A very simple concept from a business point of view
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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brickfire — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:21 PM)
I mean come on guys, smoking was banned from the MCU because Disney said so. They also removed Tony Stark's alcohol problem in IM3 to make it more kid-friendly. They also gave him a kid side kick for the same reason.
Look at the dance-off, look at the talking raccoon, look at the new Spider-Kid movie, look at Hulk smashing Loki. That stuff is for children. Sure DC has silly moments too, but their films aren't entirely designed to make kids laugh.
Of course there are a few exceptions like DD, but most of the MCU is kiddie. I know jimmies will be rustled but it's just the truth.
I disagree with that view as well.
Mcu MARVEL formula
The mcu movies and shows-
by MamaLukuBuku
The formula works, and I will tell you why they shouldn't apply it to
future films: Tiers that offer something a little different for all
kinds of fans.
Tier 1: Films- Big budget, over the top, with a target audience of
kids. This is where the money comes from that makes the other 2 tiers
possible. They can juggle lighthearted and semi-serious here without
ruining their target audience.
Tier 2: TV- Agents of Shield and Agent Carter. Dramas that cater to an
older crowd, not necessarily meant for a younger audience. Fills in
gaps here and there for the movies. Shows a much bigger world of the
MCU.
Tier 3: Netflix- This is where Marvel can let loose in a no holds
barred grimy bloodbath for the adults. This is the "graphic novel"
section of the MCU. Super focused, and as real as it gets with street
level heroes.
3 different levels of the MCU for different kinds of fans. Of course
some fans will enjoy all 3 so they have the full MCU experience, but
what they are doing is perfect and they shouldn't change it.
By the way i see the mcu movies targeted for kids and adults
and they are more serious then some
folks think,more so the captain
america movies and hulk movie.
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brickfire — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:23 PM)
Here is some talk about mcu films and dceu films by the way.
The difference is that Marvel took its time with its cinematic universe and built a world, while Dawn of Justice tries to do too much in the span of one film.
Not to mention that the MCU does do dark films. The likes of The Incredible Hulk, and even later films like Winter Soldier and Iron Man 3 deal with some pretty serious themes. Cinematography-wise, sure, it's not like someone turned out the lights, but those films are examples of doing a dark, serious superhero film and still being able to inject humor in situations when necessary.
Are people being preemptively harder on DC? Possibly, but not like DC hasn't somewhat brought it on themselves with this haphazard approach, lack of a real critical hit, and rushing to play catch-up instead of taking its time. I doubt anyone would have an issue with DC taking a slower approach if the films as a whole were well-received, which is why there's now so much pressure on Wonder Woman.
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brickfire — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:30 PM)
This was posted somewhere else too.
Why do you want a whole story about ironman drinking problems?
Was not the short scene of his drinking problems not enough for you in ironman 2?
They dealt with it for short time and moved on.The stories are faster pace in movies.
Comics and shows could go deeper and longer with those types of stories.
Anyway the mcu films focuses on kids and adults, and do a good job doing that,so it does not make sense for asking a long drawn out story about tony's drinking problems.
It will be no different if he had a smoking problem.
Get my drift?good.
You could say why rogue's powers and life was not done in details like it is in comics.In fact movie rogue is not like comics.
At least ironman story was overall closer to the comics then all the x-men MOVIES.
You take any film that is an adaptation of something and you could say why they did not do this or that.
Just take look at bvs or all the x-men films.
It's amazing how few folks choice to pick something out that most do not see as a problem at all.
I am glad in fact they did not deal too much with that drinking story line, and just because they did not go deeper and longer with that story does not mean the mcu dumbs down thier films.
In fact there is something else you ignore that they focus on more so i think that is serious problem too.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
Why ignore that?
Not sexy enough for you.
Iron man 3 had thought provoking stuff in it when came to tony.
Ethics on Film: Discussion of "Iron Man 3"
Although it may never become a classic, Iron Man 3 certainly reflects contemporary American debates over foreign policy. Take Tony Stark's decision to abandon his global protector role, prioritizing domestic matters instead: that decision is likely to resonate with war-weary Americans who have only recently begun to bring back their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, and are reluctant to send them to Syria. Iron Man 3 also touches on posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), prejudice, the military industrial complex, and drone warfare.
Some examples
Ethics on Film: Discussion of "Iron Man 3"
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
Prejudice
Reactions to this have been divided. Many film critics and bloggers lauded the move as daring and innovativeMovies.com's Jacob Hall calls the new Mandarin "one of the best and smartest comic book villains since, well, ever." Some comic book purists, however, were outraged.
The Military Industrial Complex and the War on Terror
The humor in the mcu is for kids and older folks,so it's not just 12 year old humor.
In fact the humor in the mcu is more targeted to teenagers and adults then younger kids on average and it is suppose to be like that and should be like that on average anyway.
Drone Warfare
Like i said you ignore these other serious grown up issues.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
Iron Man 3 chronologically follows The Avengers, in which Stark nearly dies. He has become an anxious wreck, unable to sleep and spending day and night in his workshop. His anxiety, hyper-vigilance, withdrawal from public places, and recurring nightmares are all symptoms associated with PTSDa crippling condition that affects three in four American troops wounded in Iraq or Afghanistan.
PTSD also affects sufferers' families and loved ones: a 2012 study links it to an increased risk of divorce. This dimension of PTSD is not lost on director/screenwriter Shane Black and screenwriter Drew Pearce, who, in a particularly telling scene, show how Stark's hyper-vigilance affects his girlfriend. This portrayal of PTSD marks a huge leap forward for superhero movies. While some war movies like The Deer Hunter have dealt with it quite candidly, superheroes are routinely confronted with apocalyptic scenarios without suffering any ill effects. By giving Stark PTSD, the film highlights the price paid by those who put their lives on the line for others, and also provides an alternative to the traditional "tough guy" narrative.
As a 2011 segment on PTSD for NPR's Talk of the Nation demonstrates, the need to not be perceived as weak can keep soldiers from admitting their problems. A superhero with PTSD might be another step toward a more constructive conversation about it.
The Military Industrial Complex and the War on Terror
The military industrial complex has always been an overarching theme in the Iron Man series. In Iron Man (2008), Stark is in Afghanistan demonstrating a new missile developed by Stark Industries when his convoy is ambushed by members of a terrorist organization and our hero is taken hostage. While in captivity, Stark discovers that his captors possess large quantities of his company's munitions. This spurs him to move away from war profiteering, becoming instead a global (if imperialistic) force for good.
In the real world, Western-supplied weapons have also had an unfortunate tendency to end up in unintended places. In 2011, Wired reported that half of the weapons supplied by the U.S. to Ugandan and Burundian
