This is from another forum.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 03:18 PM)
Don't even bother with Verdugo. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
He still doesn't understand that Marvel pays RDJ the big bucks because he's a huge draw for whatever movie he's in. A very simple concept from a business point of view
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
I didn't quite nail it - Christian Bale -
brickfire — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:21 PM)
I mean come on guys, smoking was banned from the MCU because Disney said so. They also removed Tony Stark's alcohol problem in IM3 to make it more kid-friendly. They also gave him a kid side kick for the same reason.
Look at the dance-off, look at the talking raccoon, look at the new Spider-Kid movie, look at Hulk smashing Loki. That stuff is for children. Sure DC has silly moments too, but their films aren't entirely designed to make kids laugh.
Of course there are a few exceptions like DD, but most of the MCU is kiddie. I know jimmies will be rustled but it's just the truth.
I disagree with that view as well.
Mcu MARVEL formula
The mcu movies and shows-
by MamaLukuBuku
The formula works, and I will tell you why they shouldn't apply it to
future films: Tiers that offer something a little different for all
kinds of fans.
Tier 1: Films- Big budget, over the top, with a target audience of
kids. This is where the money comes from that makes the other 2 tiers
possible. They can juggle lighthearted and semi-serious here without
ruining their target audience.
Tier 2: TV- Agents of Shield and Agent Carter. Dramas that cater to an
older crowd, not necessarily meant for a younger audience. Fills in
gaps here and there for the movies. Shows a much bigger world of the
MCU.
Tier 3: Netflix- This is where Marvel can let loose in a no holds
barred grimy bloodbath for the adults. This is the "graphic novel"
section of the MCU. Super focused, and as real as it gets with street
level heroes.
3 different levels of the MCU for different kinds of fans. Of course
some fans will enjoy all 3 so they have the full MCU experience, but
what they are doing is perfect and they shouldn't change it.
By the way i see the mcu movies targeted for kids and adults
and they are more serious then some
folks think,more so the captain
america movies and hulk movie.
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brickfire — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:23 PM)
Here is some talk about mcu films and dceu films by the way.
The difference is that Marvel took its time with its cinematic universe and built a world, while Dawn of Justice tries to do too much in the span of one film.
Not to mention that the MCU does do dark films. The likes of The Incredible Hulk, and even later films like Winter Soldier and Iron Man 3 deal with some pretty serious themes. Cinematography-wise, sure, it's not like someone turned out the lights, but those films are examples of doing a dark, serious superhero film and still being able to inject humor in situations when necessary.
Are people being preemptively harder on DC? Possibly, but not like DC hasn't somewhat brought it on themselves with this haphazard approach, lack of a real critical hit, and rushing to play catch-up instead of taking its time. I doubt anyone would have an issue with DC taking a slower approach if the films as a whole were well-received, which is why there's now so much pressure on Wonder Woman.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=34566349&highlight=#post34566349 -
brickfire — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:30 PM)
This was posted somewhere else too.
Why do you want a whole story about ironman drinking problems?
Was not the short scene of his drinking problems not enough for you in ironman 2?
They dealt with it for short time and moved on.The stories are faster pace in movies.
Comics and shows could go deeper and longer with those types of stories.
Anyway the mcu films focuses on kids and adults, and do a good job doing that,so it does not make sense for asking a long drawn out story about tony's drinking problems.
It will be no different if he had a smoking problem.
Get my drift?good.
You could say why rogue's powers and life was not done in details like it is in comics.In fact movie rogue is not like comics.
At least ironman story was overall closer to the comics then all the x-men MOVIES.
You take any film that is an adaptation of something and you could say why they did not do this or that.
Just take look at bvs or all the x-men films.
It's amazing how few folks choice to pick something out that most do not see as a problem at all.
I am glad in fact they did not deal too much with that drinking story line, and just because they did not go deeper and longer with that story does not mean the mcu dumbs down thier films.
In fact there is something else you ignore that they focus on more so i think that is serious problem too.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
Why ignore that?
Not sexy enough for you.
Iron man 3 had thought provoking stuff in it when came to tony.
Ethics on Film: Discussion of "Iron Man 3"
Although it may never become a classic, Iron Man 3 certainly reflects contemporary American debates over foreign policy. Take Tony Stark's decision to abandon his global protector role, prioritizing domestic matters instead: that decision is likely to resonate with war-weary Americans who have only recently begun to bring back their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, and are reluctant to send them to Syria. Iron Man 3 also touches on posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), prejudice, the military industrial complex, and drone warfare.
Some examples
Ethics on Film: Discussion of "Iron Man 3"
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
Prejudice
Reactions to this have been divided. Many film critics and bloggers lauded the move as daring and innovativeMovies.com's Jacob Hall calls the new Mandarin "one of the best and smartest comic book villains since, well, ever." Some comic book purists, however, were outraged.
The Military Industrial Complex and the War on Terror
The humor in the mcu is for kids and older folks,so it's not just 12 year old humor.
In fact the humor in the mcu is more targeted to teenagers and adults then younger kids on average and it is suppose to be like that and should be like that on average anyway.
Drone Warfare
Like i said you ignore these other serious grown up issues.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
Iron Man 3 chronologically follows The Avengers, in which Stark nearly dies. He has become an anxious wreck, unable to sleep and spending day and night in his workshop. His anxiety, hyper-vigilance, withdrawal from public places, and recurring nightmares are all symptoms associated with PTSDa crippling condition that affects three in four American troops wounded in Iraq or Afghanistan.
PTSD also affects sufferers' families and loved ones: a 2012 study links it to an increased risk of divorce. This dimension of PTSD is not lost on director/screenwriter Shane Black and screenwriter Drew Pearce, who, in a particularly telling scene, show how Stark's hyper-vigilance affects his girlfriend. This portrayal of PTSD marks a huge leap forward for superhero movies. While some war movies like The Deer Hunter have dealt with it quite candidly, superheroes are routinely confronted with apocalyptic scenarios without suffering any ill effects. By giving Stark PTSD, the film highlights the price paid by those who put their lives on the line for others, and also provides an alternative to the traditional "tough guy" narrative.
As a 2011 segment on PTSD for NPR's Talk of the Nation demonstrates, the need to not be perceived as weak can keep soldiers from admitting their problems. A superhero with PTSD might be another step toward a more constructive conversation about it.
The Military Industrial Complex and the War on Terror
The military industrial complex has always been an overarching theme in the Iron Man series. In Iron Man (2008), Stark is in Afghanistan demonstrating a new missile developed by Stark Industries when his convoy is ambushed by members of a terrorist organization and our hero is taken hostage. While in captivity, Stark discovers that his captors possess large quantities of his company's munitions. This spurs him to move away from war profiteering, becoming instead a global (if imperialistic) force for good.
In the real world, Western-supplied weapons have also had an unfortunate tendency to end up in unintended places. In 2011, Wired reported that half of the weapons supplied by the U.S. to Ugandan and Burundian -
brickfire — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:41 PM)
Why Marvels Success Story is More Than Just a Formula
crossover and the mcu shows and mcu movies are all in the same universe
by Cedric House
you don't need to cross in order to know it's in the same world they freaking name drop Tony stark in luke cage
by Eddie
I did a full MCU film binge before Civil War, and the last two Phase 2 films actually have subtle AoS connections that apparently went over everyone's heads. Nick Fury got the Helicarrier from "old friends". He's referring to Coulson. Not only do we see that in AoS, Coulson's also the only common friend of Fury and the Avengers that could have possibly hooked him up with one. Ant-Man also reveals to the film audience that Hydra is still around despite being"finished" in Ultron except AoS viewers were already in on that thanks to the S2 finale. They're small connection, but they do exist (Fury's dialogue in particular really couldn't have been referring to anyone else).
by by belltown213-0-557076
There was even a little Agent Carter Easter egg shout out to the character Dottie Underwood in Civil War when Bucky told Cap he used to date a red head named Dot back in the 50's.
Infinity War will probably feature a bunch of MCU TV character similar to how the X-Men series just spotlights the main mutants while the rest are there as wall paper to fill out a scene.
For the record, most of the issues concerning the TV side of the MCU is mainly with the characters (be it Quake, Coulson, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Misty Knight, Punisher, & now Ghost Rider) crossing over into the movies (Ex: Infinity War), not if the TV/Netflix stuff is actually canon or not. Feige himself said that having the TV characters at some point is inevitable, & it's not like anything in the movies directly contradicts what's on the TV/Netflix shows (or vice versa). Both the TV/Netflix shows & the movies are still in Earth-19999, it's just that Perlmutter is supposedly holding back the characters from being able to cross over into the ensemble films. Hopefully they can work this out by the time the Inhumans movie drops (likely 2021, judging by Feige's recent comments at Comic Con), so they can at least make a slight nod to the Inhumans outside of Attilan.
by Josh Harper
What does Ashley mean when she says "There's no connection between the movie and tv universes"? They are still in the same universe, and even if the references are small they would still make no sense at all if they weren't in the same universe, also Leob and Feige have both acknowledged the films, ABC shows and Netflix shows are all in the MCU (I'm certain of this because I was searching for quotes on the subject recently). Unless she means creatively they are seperate, then yeah, that's completely true.
Here some talk about the mcu/Disney vs dc/wb vs marvel fox
This is from the imdb batman v superman forum
The real reasons the DC Extended Universe is struggling
by Scott Harris
While Marvel Comics and Disney are riding high on the hog with one
massive box office hit after another, DC Comics and Warner Bros. are
struggling to simply get their own extended cinematic universe off the
ground. Given that DC's charactersincluding Superman, Batman, and
Wonder Womanare arguably the most recognizable superheroes in the
world, you'd think this wouldn't be so hard. So why can't they seem to
figure it out? Here's a look at some of the real reasons for the
DCEU's struggles.
They have a corporate mentality
In 2004, fed up after years of other studios butchering their
characters, Marvel came up a with a bold plan to make their own
movies. Their core idea: the people who make the comics and understand
the characters should be in charge of the films. That has never been
the case with DC, which has been owned by Warner Bros. since 1967. As
just one cog in a vast media machine, the decisions aren't made by DC,
they're made for DC in order to satisfy a corporate agenda. It's
filmmaking by committee, not by creators.
by Ashray
Points 1 to 4 have always been so obvious to me and the reason why i
beleive WB will never catch up Marvel.
up Marvel.
DC had been under WB since 1967 and that studio has had a 3 decades
head start with the first Superman movie before Marvel Studios
starting releasing its very first one with IM.
Both DC and Marvel, opted for different options when it comes to the
future of their properties on the big screens and that's the core
reason of the difference we see today.
DC Entertainment sold all its DC portfolio to a motion picture studio
4 decades ago and relinquished its creative MOVIE rights to them by
doing so since they were not in the business of making movie at the
time and had no studio of their own.
I think Marvel learned from DC and much later sacrificed instead its
flagships and some other properties to keep the movie and TV creative
rights within their hands for the lesser properties that were still
under their belt.
Keeping that controlling right for even one single property was the
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brickfire — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:45 PM)
Like i said here are the updated views/info.
To tell you the truth, if the Characters from the mcu shows make appearances in the mcu movies that's fine,and if they don't? That's fine as well as far as i am concern.
None of the original new characters that first appeared in star trek deep space nine made appearances in the movies for example and i was fine with it.
and
Here is a more updated view about the mcu shows and mcu movies by the way.
Why Marvel TV Characters Are Unlikely to Appear in Marvel Films [TCA 2016]
Jeph Loeb, president of Marvel Television, was on a Netflix panel for Luke Cage before the Television Critics Association. Loeb is in charge of all live-action and animated Marvel shows, including the Netflix titles and ABCs Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter. When asked if we could see any of the television characters, be it Luke Cage or Daredevil, in any of the Marvel movies, Loeb explained why it would be prohibitive to the television schedules.
I can tell you that part of the challenge of doing this sort of thing is that the movies are planned out years in advance of what it is that we are doing, Loeb said. Television moves at an incredible speed. The other part of the problem is that when you stop and think about it, if Im shooting a television series and thats going to go on over a six-month or eight-month period, how am I going to get Mike [Colter] to be able to go be in a movie? I need Mike to be in a television show.
Loeb did not completely rule out a crossover, and some of the film characters like Nick Fury, Siff and Maria Hill have appeared on television. Anything is possible, Loeb continued. As I often get reported by you folks for saying #ItsAllConnected, our feeling is that the connection isnt just whether or not somebody is walking into a movie or walking out of a television show. Its connected in the way that the shows come from the same place, that they are real, that they are grounded.
A crossover also has to mean something. If they only show up for a joke, it defeats the purpose of connecting the worlds. We have seen some characters that have appeared and crossed over, Loeb said. Most notably, one of our cast members that isnt here because shes working is Rosario Dawson, who continues the character of Claire Temple. So the short answer is we are already doing it. The long answer is as things go by, as the story dictates it, weve always been big fans of providing Easter eggs for our fans, but we never want to be known as an Easter egg farm. It has to work within the story. We never want to do Luke Cage gets into a cab as Foggy Nelson and Matt Murdock are getting out of the cab. For those of you that are old enough to know this reference, its not when The Man from U.N.C.L.E. was on Please Dont Eat the Daisies. You actually get to see our characters interact with each other.
http://www.slashfilm.com/marvel-movie-tv-crossover/#
and
http://www.cbr.com/loeb-reveals-why-marvels-tv-superheroes-havent-appeared-in-the-movies/ -
CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 09:45 PM)
Firstly it seems strange to have to talk to an obvious sock and imitator but I guess that your main account has zero credibility left so you feel safer posting under another name?
I mean come on guys, smoking was banned from the MCU because Disney said so. They also removed Tony Stark's alcohol problem in IM3 to make it more kid-friendly. They also gave him a kid side kick for the same reason.
Smoking was banned in the MCU? Well the MCU and the DCEU are both aimed at family viewing so the MCU not allowing smoking in the film is actually a responsible step to take you know a adult thing to do. I can not recall the DCEU having smoking in it either of the top of my head maybe I am wrong but I don't recall Batman or Superman ever sparking up not even Lex or Doomsday and they are bad guys! All I recall is Jolly Ranchers a kids sweet but I am not that is distracting from the topic. I am wondering how young you must be in order to think that smoking is adult anyway, this is a perception normally help by young teens so I will place you in that age group unless your can prove other wise.
They also removed Tony Stark's alcohol problem in IM3 to make it more kid-friendly.
They at least demonstrated Tony Starks was an alcoholic and the issues that he had with it you know a very prevalent issue that adults have. Yet the heroes in the DCEU don't suffer from a single adult issue which to me is the much more childish in nature than having someone have a realistic issue then have to overcome it.
Oh the dance off and talking Racoons you sound an awful lot like Rambo, well you know what Rambo recommended that I watch a cartoon called "The Green Lantern: First Flight" and despite his protest one moment about talking racoons that movie he recommended contained a talking and levitating Squirrel DC fans can be such hypocrites. So GOTG used dancing to distract Ronan and you can not get over it this makes something funny in a comedy film suddenly childish because what adults don't dance? You really do have a lot of growing up to do don't you? However even if you did find GOTG childish because it had dancing in it (LOL) you still proclaim DC or the DCEU to be adult even though I clearly saw the Enchantress getting her jiggly on or was that in your mind adult dancing?
They also gave him a kid side kick for the same reason.
Oh again we clearly see that Batman had a kid sidekick because he keeps his outfit in a glass cabinet to remember him by. Yet that is fine because its DC right.
Now remind me which franchise has a man who likes to dress up as bats because they are "Scary" a magical princess and a man who has a ice castle?
Still I am not going to say that the DCEU is for children or that MCU is not as both are aimed clearly at family entertainment and that no matter which side of the fence you sit on and like it or not is the target audience not adult or children but family.
To make a great film you need three things - the script, the script and the script -Alfred Hitchcock -
mh-newressistance — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 03:44 PM)
They at least demonstrated Tony Starks was an alcoholic
They never did. The best they managed to do with that aspect was that atrocious party scene in Iron Man 2 where Tony Stark is a bit drunk and he makes jokes about urinating in the suit.
He's not an alcoholic. He just got drunk, did some goofy sht, and then got over it.
Comic book Tony Stark was destroyed by alcoholism. Alcoholism have put him on the verge of suicide at one point. -
TalesfromTheCryptfan — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 03:04 PM)
Marvel movies are more mature than DC! besides cops tell jokes, teachers tell jokes, firemen tell jokes, soldiers even in WWII to Vietnam to now tell jokes etc.
Even Shakespeare has comedy even in Romeo and Juliet.
"Unicorn, mermaid, vampire,sorceress! No name you'd give her would surprise me i love whom i love"
