http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/07/same-sex-kids-raised-gays/
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moonunit-00839 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 10:04 AM)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/07/same-sex-kids-raised-gays/
A new study shows theres much more depression, obesity and suicidal tendencies among adults raised by same-sex couples than among adults raised by a normal family of complementary male and female parents.
According to the study, which tracks the development of children to adulthood, 51 percent of those raised by same-sex couples had experienced depression, compared to only 19.7 percent of those raised in normal married households.
By age 28 a cohort of children raised by same-sex parents are 2.25 times more likely to experience depression than is the general population. Adult onset depression is associated with a more frequent history of abuse victimization, obesity, stigma, and distance from one or both parents.
Thirty percent of adults from gay households fanaticized about suicide as an adult, compared to 7 percent from normal households. A whopping 71.9 percent of adults raised in gay homes reported obesity, compared to 37 percent from opposite-sex homes.
The study shows more kids raised by gays reported that a parent or caregiver had slapped, hit, or kicked them. More of them said they were touched in a sexual way or forced to touch someone in a sexual way or were forced into sex relations.
The study flies in the face of recent claims by gay advocates that there is no difference between being raised by gays or by straights.
The study used data from the non-partisan National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, and was produced by Professor Paul Sullins of the Leo Initiative. Hes worked with the Department of Sociology at the Catholic University of America for many years.
The major limitation of of the study is that the database contained information on kids raised by only twenty same-sex couples. But there are very few children raised by gays at all, let alone over a long period. Even so, as sociologist Mark Regnerus says of this study, This makes the same-sex household estimates displayed in the graph imprecise, but it does nothing to undermine the significance of the differences between groups.
The study has already come under attack from gay blogs that tend to pounce on any negative data.
At the urging of gay bloggers, in 2012, Regnerus of the University of Texas at Austin was investigated by his university and attempts were made to bring him up on charges and get him fired for reaching much the same conclusions as Sullins has reached. Though the University of Texas backed him up and the journal that published his paper has not withdrawn it, he still comes under bitter criticism from gay advocates.
ThinkProgress has tried to smear Sullins for his religious faith and his priesthood. The author, Zack Ford, a columnist and not an expert in sociological research, called the study hugely flawed and ran a picture of Sullins in his priestly garb. He also complained that the study was carried out on children raised by gays prior to the legalization of gay marriage, proposing that marriage will make all the difference in outcomes for kids.
Even liberal advocates admit that children do best when raised by their own mom and dad. Secular sociologist Sara McLanahan of Princeton University and other secular experts have reported for decades that children do best within normal families.
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Cinemachinery — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 11:18 AM)
I remember you posting salon links
Dude, you're salty as hell. You wanted someome on the far left to have a tiff with, you couldn't get anyone to bite the Salon article, so now you're just going with "you link it, too!".
Must be a slow day in 'burbia.
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 11:19 AM)
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/2410392/
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:16 PM)
If you read the article and the study, it debunks itself.
No, it doesn't. I've read it, and I actually understood what I was reading, unlike you, and the results of the study are exactly as they are reported. I would love to find something questionable about it, and I damn sure tried, but there's just nothing there. There is, of course, still a debate open as to whether this one "negative" of gay parenting is of any importance in the overall scheme of things, but stop dismissing science because of nothing but your own lack of comprehension. Eva made an additional worthwhile mention - that of the cycle of the relationship between depression and obesity. But your observations, as usual, are based on pure ignorance.
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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jw-tutor — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:55 PM)
The issues I noticed:
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of the group in question (20) - Non-specified birth relationship between parents and child (adopted, etc.)
- The relationship of the child with their absent birth parent(s)
- The questions that are discussed always seem to ask about closeness to 'mother' and 'father' which could be a problem in a same-sex situation.
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 03:03 PM)
Non-specified birth relationship between parents and child (adopted, etc.)
- The relationship of the child with their absent birth parent(s)
- The questions that are discussed always seem to ask about closeness to 'mother' and 'father' which could be a problem in a same-sex situation.
And these are legitimate issues to discuss, unlike Goz's semi-rant about the association of the study to a Catholic University which just so happens to be a highly respected research institute.
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 09:15 AM)
I think there are problems with the way groups have been compared. The people whose data Sullins used have commented on the article, it isn't new data he's used it's from other studies but with different conclusions.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/3185067/
I don't know if he intended for this to be specific to the US but they seem to ignore data from other countries, particularly from the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children which is population based (rather than volunteer).
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:06 PM)
Nice catch, Ruth! It does now seem as if the study was comparing apples to oranges here. I did not notice this reading over the original study.
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:32 PM)
Well you wouldn't unless you had access to all the data, like the author of the comment did. It was his data being misinterpreted. It reminds me of the antivaxxer 'reanalysis of vaccine safety data that was retracted for incompetence
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/10/06/its-official-brian-hookers-reanalysis-of-mmr-data-is-retracted/
Having said that, robust data on this subject is going to be difficult to get and any empirical study is only as good as it's controls.
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:39 PM)
Reading back my posts on this thread I really was under the influence of pain medication yesterday and did a horrible job explaining what i meant in a few posts. Okay, okay, I'm only attempting to clarify because Ruth, my sockpuppet, disagrees with me. At no point did I intend to imply that the Breitbart article was accurate because I didn't even read the Breitbart article except far enough to find the link to the actual study because I don't read Breitbart articles anymore because there has never been an accurate and honest Breitbart article in the entire history of Breitbart articles. However, the study itself does point out the small sample size. Also, the concluding sentence of the abstract is "More research and policy attention to potentially problematic conditions for children with same-sex parents appears warranted." which is a reasonable conclusion although it is entirely dependent on what one considers "potentially problematic conditions". Honest, decent people are going to consider that to mean conditions in which same-sex couples and their children are mistreated are an area deserving of more attention while we already know what the less honest and less decent will claim.
Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children
I've never even heard of that or I forgot it if I did. I may give it a read, or I may not, it just depends.
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:50 PM)
I'm your sock?? But I'm older than you. And British. And female.
Anyway, I'm not really disagreeing with you these kind of studies always have problems with poor controls and confounders. Soft science
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:55 PM)
Vegas started a thread where he semi-joked that you seem to be my sockpuppet because you always seem to show up and agree with me on the topic of evolution. Sulla pointed out that several people have you as a friend on facebook and that you are a published researcher to which Vegas replied with something along the lines of I could have simply looked up the name of an expert in the field of genetics and used that person's credentials to give my arguments more weight.
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/nest/264315577
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen