http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/07/same-sex-kids-raised-gays/
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 11:19 AM)
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/2410392/
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:16 PM)
If you read the article and the study, it debunks itself.
No, it doesn't. I've read it, and I actually understood what I was reading, unlike you, and the results of the study are exactly as they are reported. I would love to find something questionable about it, and I damn sure tried, but there's just nothing there. There is, of course, still a debate open as to whether this one "negative" of gay parenting is of any importance in the overall scheme of things, but stop dismissing science because of nothing but your own lack of comprehension. Eva made an additional worthwhile mention - that of the cycle of the relationship between depression and obesity. But your observations, as usual, are based on pure ignorance.
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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jw-tutor — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:55 PM)
The issues I noticed:
- Small
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of the group in question (20) - Non-specified birth relationship between parents and child (adopted, etc.)
- The relationship of the child with their absent birth parent(s)
- The questions that are discussed always seem to ask about closeness to 'mother' and 'father' which could be a problem in a same-sex situation.
-jw
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 03:03 PM)
Non-specified birth relationship between parents and child (adopted, etc.)
- The relationship of the child with their absent birth parent(s)
- The questions that are discussed always seem to ask about closeness to 'mother' and 'father' which could be a problem in a same-sex situation.
And these are legitimate issues to discuss, unlike Goz's semi-rant about the association of the study to a Catholic University which just so happens to be a highly respected research institute.
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 09:15 AM)
I think there are problems with the way groups have been compared. The people whose data Sullins used have commented on the article, it isn't new data he's used it's from other studies but with different conclusions.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/3185067/
I don't know if he intended for this to be specific to the US but they seem to ignore data from other countries, particularly from the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children which is population based (rather than volunteer).
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:06 PM)
Nice catch, Ruth! It does now seem as if the study was comparing apples to oranges here. I did not notice this reading over the original study.
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:32 PM)
Well you wouldn't unless you had access to all the data, like the author of the comment did. It was his data being misinterpreted. It reminds me of the antivaxxer 'reanalysis of vaccine safety data that was retracted for incompetence
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/10/06/its-official-brian-hookers-reanalysis-of-mmr-data-is-retracted/
Having said that, robust data on this subject is going to be difficult to get and any empirical study is only as good as it's controls.
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:39 PM)
Reading back my posts on this thread I really was under the influence of pain medication yesterday and did a horrible job explaining what i meant in a few posts. Okay, okay, I'm only attempting to clarify because Ruth, my sockpuppet, disagrees with me. At no point did I intend to imply that the Breitbart article was accurate because I didn't even read the Breitbart article except far enough to find the link to the actual study because I don't read Breitbart articles anymore because there has never been an accurate and honest Breitbart article in the entire history of Breitbart articles. However, the study itself does point out the small sample size. Also, the concluding sentence of the abstract is "More research and policy attention to potentially problematic conditions for children with same-sex parents appears warranted." which is a reasonable conclusion although it is entirely dependent on what one considers "potentially problematic conditions". Honest, decent people are going to consider that to mean conditions in which same-sex couples and their children are mistreated are an area deserving of more attention while we already know what the less honest and less decent will claim.
Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children
I've never even heard of that or I forgot it if I did. I may give it a read, or I may not, it just depends.
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:50 PM)
I'm your sock?? But I'm older than you. And British. And female.
Anyway, I'm not really disagreeing with you these kind of studies always have problems with poor controls and confounders. Soft science
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:55 PM)
Vegas started a thread where he semi-joked that you seem to be my sockpuppet because you always seem to show up and agree with me on the topic of evolution. Sulla pointed out that several people have you as a friend on facebook and that you are a published researcher to which Vegas replied with something along the lines of I could have simply looked up the name of an expert in the field of genetics and used that person's credentials to give my arguments more weight.
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/nest/264315577
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 01:21 PM)
That's hilarious! Anyway, you don't need a sock to agree with you about evolution even the Vatican agrees with you about evolution. Although as we know, .va isn't a Catholic website.
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AbsolutelyThoughtfulGoz — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:32 AM)
The article does, which was what I was discussing as presented in the OP.
My 'observations' were limited to an observation that there could have been some bias and insufficient sample size as suggested by the article that was posted.
It was you that ran off half cocked
about the study, which was not presented and about which I made one observation about the author of the study being Catholic.
Ergo my observation that the author was Catholic was not based on ignorance, butt on the evidence given.
Everything else is in your mind.
You clearly did not examine the evidence of the words in my post to back your claims.
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gadreel — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 09:04 AM)
I disagree, the study clearly admits that it concludes nothing:
Interpretation of these limited small-sample findings is necessarily speculative.
the very small size of the sample of children raised by lesbians imposes important limits and prompts great caution regarding the conclusions of this study. As with all observational studies, causal inference is not possible.
In particular, the lack of useful measures for parent mental distress, depression, family history of violence, alcohol consumption, and substance abuse precluded examination of important familial risk factors which may be associated with child distress. For these reasons, the findings of this study should be considered only provisional and exploratory until and unless they are confirmed by further research.
I am writing this under appreciable mental strain