Jesus was a deviant
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filmflaneur — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 10:34 AM)
you being an atheist all, how come its all Christian bashing and not Islam bashing?
I can't speak for others but over on the Reddit debate religion board I have in the past taken part in long threads disputing with Muslims. The main difficulty is often their claim that 'you need to know Arabic' to interpret the Qu'ran properly - a defence which seems a little too convenient at times. Other than that, the problem on this board is simply the lack of Muslims to debate with. But I don't blame them as much of what is said here is either willfully ill-informed or just plain Islamophobic.
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filmflaneur — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 11:29 AM)
What's wrong with being Islamophobic?
The fact you need to ask that is worrying. Hatred and bigotry are always to be condemned, sorry about that. The proportion of Muslims who are terrorists is a very small minority.
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/. — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 11:32 AM)
Bigotry against an ideology? huh???? Are you confused? Is it bigotry to oppose nazism due to the violence it causes?
Did you know most nazi supporters were nonviolent???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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filmflaneur — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 11:39 AM)
Is it bigotry to oppose nazism due to the violence it causes?
The Nazi ideology and regime are completely different from Islam. This is not to say of course that there are reprehensible theocracies around based on strict observance of it's tenets.
In the summer of 2016 for instance, aboard the plane taking him back to Rome after a trip to Poland, His Holiness, Pope Francis said it was wrong to identify Islam with violence, adding that social injustice and idolatry of money were among the prime causes of terrorism. ‘I think it is not right to identify Islam with violence,’ he told reporters. ‘This is not right and this is not true… I think that in nearly all religions there is always a small fundamentalist group,’ he said; and referring to Catholicism, he added: ‘We have them.’
Fucking retard
An
ad hominem
is not an argument. But I forgive you.
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/. — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 11:50 AM)
In the summer of 2016 for instance, aboard the plane taking him back to Rome after a trip to Poland, His Holiness, Pope Francis
Neither is this bullshit appeal to authority!
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filmflaneur — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 11:57 AM)
bullshit appeal to authority
An argument from authority is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority figure (or figures) is used as evidence to support an argument and can be a logical fallacy. However, in particular circumstances, it is sound to use as a practical although fallible way of obtaining information that can be considered generally likely to be correct
if the authority is a real and pertinent intellectual authority
.
To be honest if one transposed your hatred towards Muslims and Islam to a hatred of Jews and Judaism, then the Nazism you seem to condemn on the one hand would be quite evident on the other.
Fucking retard
Did I mention that an
ad hominem
is not an argument?
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Pandora — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 11:35 AM)
the problem on this board is simply the lack of Muslims to debate with
I would say this but more in day to day life. I don't think many on this board have much life experience of being around Muslims and so are easily swayed by what is in the media. -
filmflaneur — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 11:43 AM)
Absolutely. Many Americans in particular, sorry to say, are relatively provincial in their notions of the rest of the world and influenced by theocratic forces at home in their views. The result can be sweeping generalisations and condemnations about one of the major religions which at best seem unsophisticated and unlearned and at worst just racist.
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Jaja — 1 year ago(July 31, 2024 04:28 AM)
Aren't Europeans influenced as well? Their view of the USA is carefully skewed by their media.
They are viewing America through a careful controlled liberal filter.
And
Hello Mr. Jared Kushner. Right on time baby.
Maybe I'm the only one that sees you.
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filmflaneur — 1 year ago(July 31, 2024 12:11 PM)
Oh yes I wouldn't deny that we are all open to influence. But the majority of UK papers are right wing so that 'liberal filter' is not as evident as one might think.
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Jaja — 1 year ago(August 04, 2024 06:50 AM)
/Absolutely. Many Americans in particular, sorry to say, are relatively provincial in their notions of the rest of the world and influenced by theocratic forces at home in their views. The result can be sweeping generalisations and condemnations about one of the major religions which at best seem unsophisticated and unlearned and at worst just racist./
Before even restarting a discussion on this I'm seeing a similarity in both of our corners. You and I might be on opposite sides of this small nuance however we are both influenced by media.
sweeping generalisations
are as follows…
"Many Americans are hard core Bible thumping religious zealots"
Which is entirely false. Many of those outside the US have only been programmed by the media to believe this.
It's also how some outsiders are scared to move to the US thinking they'll get shot and that the US is the first place in the world for gun homicide which is entirely untrue.
If fact, we are far from number one.
These surveys show that we are 89th and 20th respectively and way behind of all these fine nations so we must be doing something right.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html#:~:text=Countries With The Highest Murder Rates 1 1.,... 5 5. Lesotho (41.2 per 100%2C000)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/theres-a-new-global-ranking-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands#:~:text=Half of all gun-related deaths in 2016 occurred,less than 10 percent of the world’s population
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filmflaneur — 1 year ago(August 06, 2024 11:46 AM)
"Many Americans are hard core Bible thumping religious zealots"
Which is entirely false.
It depends on how one defines 'many' and 'Bible thumping religious zealots'. When I think of the latter for instance I imagine I am talking about the extremes of religious fundamentalism. Surveys have shown that the share of fundamentalists is at or near 50 percent in "West South Central" (Texas to Arkansas) and "South Atlantic" (Florida to Maryland), while at 25 percent or below elsewhere in the country, with the low of nine percent in New England. In addition there is the worrying trend of extremism growing within American Christendom.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/04/qanon-christian-extremism-nationalism-violence-466034
While I would not hasten to tar all religious fundamentalists with the same brush there is undeniably a sizeable minority.
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Jaja — 1 year ago(August 04, 2024 07:28 AM)
/I would say this but more in day to day life. I don't think many on this board have much life experience of being around Muslims and so are easily swayed by what is in the media./
Hey there Panda,
Now this may come of a shock to you but we have a huge Muslim population in North Texas, most are based the Richardson (Dallas suburb) area.
I had 3 Muslim neighbors that I knew for many years. They were literally the best people ever. Two of which who were always inviting me out for food or even bringing me home cooked meals. The sweetest people.
My upstairs neighbor was an Ethopian Muslim who could not drink responsibly, loving his Black Label Johnny Walker a little too much. One time he was so wasted he asked me to go and bless his condo because he felt "evil spirits".
So I put on an act and pretended to know some pseudo-Christian-White Magic chants and appeared to be emotionally into it. He was very relieved afterwards and thanked me for my faux exorcism. Funny little guy.
"So why do you hate Muslims, Jason?"
I don't and just like you I can't stand being generalized.
The Muslims here for the most part are amazing, intelligent, hard working, and some of the best people I've been around.
Sure, they do drink even when they shouldn't, and they don't always go to Mosque as they're supposed to. They're much more westernized and even docile.
But they are not the same as
Islamists
which seem to flood Europe and have caused the trouble they've brought in over there.
Of course I don't believe all of them are like this though.
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Jaja — 1 year ago(July 30, 2024 09:11 AM)
What are your views on Mohammed? It seems that UK'ers are absolutely terrified to talk sht about about Islam.
Why are you Uk'ers so petrified to denounce Islamic child grooming in the UK?
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