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Pedosh — 9 years ago(September 16, 2016 03:18 PM)
When Catwoman watches Bane beat up Batman, Bane reveals his Batman's identity as Bruce Wayne - Catwoman seems to react to this. However, when Bruce Wayne meets her again later she mentions his 'powerful friend' seemingly oblivious of what was revealed to her earlier in the film - it does not seem sarcastic. Have I got this completely wrong?
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Pedosh — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 03:11 AM)
You've obviously not watched the parts in question. I just have and have to say that Catwoman must know Bruce Wayne is Batman at that point but the way her line is delivered lacks the necessary hubris to clearly communicate she does and being left up for interpretation is just confusing.
Having said all this the quips between Catwoman and Batman throughout the film are great. Hathaway's performance is a stand-out in this film. -
fiero-49251 — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 12:33 PM)
"TDK" & "TDKR" are both hard to watch and I've never seen them all the way through at one sitting; needs editing down IMO! They're much too long and senseless at times; Bruce getting back to Gotham for instance! ;-/
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 12:34 PM)
Anyone who actually understands Bruce's character can figure out how he could have gotten back to Gotham, and anyone who actually paid attention knows that it took him over 2 weeks to get there.
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fiero-49251 — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 12:49 PM)
Well there you go; I wasn't paying attention!
It's nowhere near as entertaining to me as
"Begins"
so I guess I'll have to die in total ignorance! Thanks! ;-/http://scifiblogs3.blogspot.com/
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 02:09 PM)
This is the scene he is referring to:
Selina: Got your powerful friend on the case?
Bruce: I'm on it, but I need you to take me to Lucius Fox
Selina: Why do you need Fox?
Bruce: To save this city
Selina: Who says it needs saving? Maybe I like it this way
Bruce: But tomorrow that bomb's going off
It's not really that hard to understand that Selina knew Bruce was Batman.
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yvonneshusband — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 09:00 AM)
it's when Bruce meets up with her after she saves the young apple thief, just before he offers to
pay her
for her help
again
. Wasn't he supposed to have
gained wisdom
while he was trapped in the 'underworld'?
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 09:08 AM)
Selina would never be able to use the Clean Slate unless she helped him save the city, if she doesn't help him then she is going to die. Bruce knows she isn't a true believer in Bane's cause, she just wants to be able to start fresh. That is why he knew she'd help him.
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Harold_of_Whoa — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 04:22 PM)
it's when Bruce meets up with her after she saves the young apple thief, just before he offers to pay her for her help again. Wasn't he supposed to have gained wisdom while he was trapped in the 'underworld'?
Thanks to both you and the Hippster for clarifying, although in defense of my own dignity I would note that I had already posted a link to the scene a week ago, just two posts further down the thread.
I dispute your characterization of the handing over the Clean Slate as offering to pay Selina. He gives it to her and asks her to help. The conditional, transactional approach was what he tried the first time when he was betrayed. Bruce/BatChrist here gives her the Clean Slate redemption as a grace; it is not earned through works. He knows there is more to her than her past actions.
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yvonneshusband — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 04:17 AM)
He gives it to her and asks her to hel
Does he? My take on it was that he only really
asks
her to help just before she apparently heads off into the sunset. she
bargains him up
to helping her escape from the city as well as helping him to rescue Fox
before
she takes the clean slate device from him.
He knows there is more to her than her past actions.
His judgement is demonstrably at its poorest where women are concerned, as his complete lack of suspicion about 'Miranda' amply proves. One could even argue that it's essential for Nolan's knight's faith in women to be fatally misplaced so that Selina's 'redemption' has surprise value, not to mention the 'shock' of seeing Bruce Wayne finally having that (blind) faith rewarded!
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Harold_of_Whoa — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 02:19 PM)
I have literally no idea what your issue could be on this.
Here's that scene:
Very early on in thier conversation, when Bruce says he needs her help, Selina says "After what I did to you?" Batman is who she betrayed, so obviously -
obviously- she is acknowledging Bruce is Batman. In no way is she "oblivious of what was revealed to her earlier in the film" as you stated in your OP.
Her "powerful friend" question is in full recognition of Bruce being Batman. It's not sarcastic, it's just going along with Bruce's approach to the dual identity thing. She is respecting the fact that Batman is more than laundry, and using Bruce's own phrase to do so.
- she is acknowledging Bruce is Batman. In no way is she "oblivious of what was revealed to her earlier in the film" as you stated in your OP.
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Harold_of_Whoa — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 03:28 PM)
The title of your thread is "Confused". You're confused that her delivery of the line was odd?
Again, I think she is just continuing the reference that Bruce began. At this point it's almost like an inside joke, only she's not joking - she's paying respect to the entire idea of Batman.