Confused
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fiero-49251 — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 12:49 PM)
Well there you go; I wasn't paying attention!
It's nowhere near as entertaining to me as
"Begins"
so I guess I'll have to die in total ignorance! Thanks! ;-/http://scifiblogs3.blogspot.com/
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 02:09 PM)
This is the scene he is referring to:
Selina: Got your powerful friend on the case?
Bruce: I'm on it, but I need you to take me to Lucius Fox
Selina: Why do you need Fox?
Bruce: To save this city
Selina: Who says it needs saving? Maybe I like it this way
Bruce: But tomorrow that bomb's going off
It's not really that hard to understand that Selina knew Bruce was Batman.
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yvonneshusband — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 09:00 AM)
it's when Bruce meets up with her after she saves the young apple thief, just before he offers to
pay her
for her help
again
. Wasn't he supposed to have
gained wisdom
while he was trapped in the 'underworld'?
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 09:08 AM)
Selina would never be able to use the Clean Slate unless she helped him save the city, if she doesn't help him then she is going to die. Bruce knows she isn't a true believer in Bane's cause, she just wants to be able to start fresh. That is why he knew she'd help him.
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Harold_of_Whoa — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 04:22 PM)
it's when Bruce meets up with her after she saves the young apple thief, just before he offers to pay her for her help again. Wasn't he supposed to have gained wisdom while he was trapped in the 'underworld'?
Thanks to both you and the Hippster for clarifying, although in defense of my own dignity I would note that I had already posted a link to the scene a week ago, just two posts further down the thread.
I dispute your characterization of the handing over the Clean Slate as offering to pay Selina. He gives it to her and asks her to help. The conditional, transactional approach was what he tried the first time when he was betrayed. Bruce/BatChrist here gives her the Clean Slate redemption as a grace; it is not earned through works. He knows there is more to her than her past actions.
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yvonneshusband — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 04:17 AM)
He gives it to her and asks her to hel
Does he? My take on it was that he only really
asks
her to help just before she apparently heads off into the sunset. she
bargains him up
to helping her escape from the city as well as helping him to rescue Fox
before
she takes the clean slate device from him.
He knows there is more to her than her past actions.
His judgement is demonstrably at its poorest where women are concerned, as his complete lack of suspicion about 'Miranda' amply proves. One could even argue that it's essential for Nolan's knight's faith in women to be fatally misplaced so that Selina's 'redemption' has surprise value, not to mention the 'shock' of seeing Bruce Wayne finally having that (blind) faith rewarded!
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Harold_of_Whoa — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 02:19 PM)
I have literally no idea what your issue could be on this.
Here's that scene:
Very early on in thier conversation, when Bruce says he needs her help, Selina says "After what I did to you?" Batman is who she betrayed, so obviously -
obviously- she is acknowledging Bruce is Batman. In no way is she "oblivious of what was revealed to her earlier in the film" as you stated in your OP.
Her "powerful friend" question is in full recognition of Bruce being Batman. It's not sarcastic, it's just going along with Bruce's approach to the dual identity thing. She is respecting the fact that Batman is more than laundry, and using Bruce's own phrase to do so.
- she is acknowledging Bruce is Batman. In no way is she "oblivious of what was revealed to her earlier in the film" as you stated in your OP.
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Harold_of_Whoa — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 03:28 PM)
The title of your thread is "Confused". You're confused that her delivery of the line was odd?
Again, I think she is just continuing the reference that Bruce began. At this point it's almost like an inside joke, only she's not joking - she's paying respect to the entire idea of Batman. -
Chris-Au — 9 years ago(September 17, 2016 05:46 PM)
There was nothing confusing about the scene or the delivery. Selina wasn't being sarcastic she was being coy which is perfectly in character.
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Pedosh — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 02:36 AM)
If you can't see that her delivery is dubious/confusing then fine. I watched this film after 3 years and I'm telling you, from my perspective, the 'coy' delivery isn't obvious.
Play someone that one line (whose not seen the film or for a good while) and ask them if she implies she knows Wayne is Batman. They'll struggle to give you a definite yes or no answer (I bet they lean more to no). -
Chris-Au — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 09:36 AM)
Re: Confused
by
Pedosh
6 hours ago (Sun Sep 18 2016 02:36:45)
IMDb member since June 2005
If you can't see that her delivery is dubious/confusing then fine. I watched this film after 3 years and I'm telling you, from my perspective, the 'coy' delivery isn't obvious.
It's perfectly obvious and in the four years since the movie was released you are the only person who has ever mentioned the line and this board has been littered with people looking for any tiny thing to nitpick.
And yet even the pickers of nits never picked that nit because there is no nit to pick.
Play someone that one line (whose not seen the film or for a good while) and ask them if she implies she knows Wayne is Batman. They'll struggle to give you a definite yes or no answer (I bet they lean more to no).
Seriously?
That line is part of a greater whole. You can't take the line out of context and expect it to be understood. If you are going to do that you can take pretty much any line of any movie and create confusion.
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