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LithMaethor — 9 years ago(October 31, 2016 11:39 PM)
Hopefully it's just how he sees himself at that moment, but usually a face he puts on while playing head torturer in hell.
Cause if that truly is his real form, it's both a huge deviation from the source material, and - more importantly - quite underwhelming.
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LithMaethor — 9 years ago(October 31, 2016 11:56 PM)
It also served as a quick way to show her he is actually who he said he was.
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dani984 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 04:46 AM)
This!
We all know that his true form is that of an angel with white wings, but since he cut them of, this was really the most effective way to show her that all that he told her was not just a metaphore and for her to really see the gravity of the situation. He told her he is the devil and now he showed her that he is the devil.
But now that Linda knows the truth, she should really think about their sessions and what he said. He said that he is not trully evil, that running hell is just his job, and that he punishes the guilty. So once she really thinks about all of that, I think that she will not be afraid of him, and that their relationship will get a whole new meaning.
Any way, I'm glad that finally at least on of the main human cast members knows the truth, and I think that will make the show even more interesting.
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scarlet8 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:50 PM)
Hopefully it's just how he sees himself at that moment, but usually a face he puts on while playing head torturer in hell.
I could see them using this as the explanation.
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Tantrums — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 05:08 AM)
No, I think it's not his "true" face in the meaning of "original" face.
It's the face he has as being the devil / showing his "nastier side".
(Btw, it's not the 1st time that comments from a network on their own show are not 100 percent correct.)
I've also read the comics and love them but I really do not expect that anything else of that canon must be fundamental for the show, the writers simply can use something of or get some ideas from it. So now they've brought Maze's "original" face, and I totally loved that they did it. But I'm absolutely ok with all the changes they made from the comics, may it be "who was born 1st", "Mother of all creation" or Lucifer's "true face". Because it works for the storylines of the show and there are no bigger inconsistencies within, imo. -
jncarriere — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 07:33 AM)
What is it inconsistent from? The entire show is "inspired " from the comic characters and Tom Ellis looks nothing like David Bowie and doesn't have even half of the comic characters powers and a different personality or only bits of it.
I wasn't surprised about his "true face" he talked about it all last season. We also had glimpses of it. Not all fans read the tweets or the articles.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 08:44 AM)
It doesn't matter if you don't read what the showrunners and writers say. That's relevant to their story construction, and if they're contradicting themselves, it's a problem with future continuity.
It makes no sense, based on the information we've received so far, that Lucifer would have been born that way and there's been no evidence that God would do that to his favorite son. Even if he had, that would be his "new form" not his "true form".
The showrunner's own statement is that the angels are in their original forms. Lucifer can't have two "true" or original forms. It seemed pretty clear that they were making a point early on that the red devil with tail and horns from folklore was the result of an overly imaginative public. And now they're telling us that this is his "true" form, which would mean the form he was born with. There's no friggin' way that the Light Bringer, most beautiful of the angels and God's favorite son, would be any of that if this were his true form.
All I'm asking is that they get a little more careful with the words they choose and pay attention to their continuity. I'm beginning to think they don't have a continuity director and that they really need one.
I'm going to believe that this is an aspect of himself that Lucifer materializes to scare people and that he may see it as being a reflection of his "true self" because of his personal self-loathing, but I don't believe it's really who he is.
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jncarriere — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 01:35 PM)
It doesn't matter if you don't read what the showrunners and writers say. That's relevant to their story construction, and if they're contradicting themselves, it's a problem with future continuity.
If,I and other fans haven't read it and don't know about it,then we don't know they have contradicted themselves do we. Not saying others haven't read the same info as you.
I disagree that he doesn't have two "true forms" he is both and Angel and a Demon.They are both very much a part of who he is. Personally,I think his demon self quite handsome.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 01:42 PM)
He's not a demon. He's still a fallen angel. No one on the show has ever said he's a demon. Maze is a demon.
And I'm not talking about twitter or cast members or writers. I'm talking about what the show has said itself.
Lucifer is the most beautiful and favorite of all of God's angels. He is "The Light Bringer". The "Morning Star". He was not born as a red terrifying looking devil. That came much later, according to the show. That much is very clear. So it can't be his "true" form. It can be an aspect, or a side that was developed, but it wasn't who he was born as. And that's a person's true form.
Just like a prince turned into a frog, his true form is not the frog.
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jncarriere — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 02:00 PM)
This is far more important to you then me. Sorry,should have said "demonic" rather than demon. I don't agree that he "fell" either and I didn't say he was born demonic. I also don't know and don't care what the showrunners have said. I watch a show I enjoy and interpret it the way I want and you are free to do the same.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 02:08 PM)
Well, I think you disagreed with me and I was just defending my position.
I'm not asking everyone to agree with me or believe what I believe. I'm just pointing out things I'm concerned about. You know this is my all-time favorite show. But I'm not going to pretend when something doesn't give me pause. And I know there are others who feel this way as well.
I don't have problems with almost all of the show's changes, and I've more than explained my reasons for having concerns about what I see as a lack of continuity. I truly hope they hire a continuity director soon. They've got a lot of writers and the showrunners have a ton of responsibilities and can't be expected to stay on top of everything. That's why shows that have a complex history and mythological canon to maintain usually have continuity directors. Sometimes it's just an additional duty of one of the cast members who's got a great memory for detail and past scripts. That could even be someone like Lesley-Ann from what I've seen. She seems to be pretty on top of everything.
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jncarriere — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 04:36 PM)
Well we can disagree amicably,I respect your opinion. I agree it's confusing for some fans and they could get the wrong idea. I see Lucifer as 2 different personifications..The Angelic and the Lord of Hell (demonic) and the Lucifer we see (TE)is the one he had in heaven.
Tom/Lucifer is scarier to me then,Lucifer/Demonic,because Tom is so good with expression/emotional scenes.
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Ryan-lindsey1 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:33 PM)
"Things need to add up and be consistent or fans stress."
Haha Really? Man, if things like that are stressing you out, you should seriously seek help from someone like Dr. Linda. Because that's crazy.
Not to mention that none of them are actually contradictions in the context of the show itself. Because they are never actually said or mentioned IN THE SHOW ITSELF. Stop putting so much credence in the offhand comments that producers or writers say in random interviews and what not. Because a very large percentage of the time they say beep that doesn't end up actually playing into the show, or say beep for the sole purpose of messing with people.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:38 PM)
Um, clearly you don't watch many shows like this if you don't think fans obsess over these details. It's part of the genre. Just like stats are part of baseball.
Oh, and I'm not making up the inconsistencies. They're right there in the transcripts. I've quoted them many times, straight from the script.
Btw, thanks for the "helpful" advice, but I can take care of myself.
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ove-hetland79 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:51 PM)
Plenty of episodes simply wouldn't work if Lucifer's true face were beautiful, because who would get scared/shocked then? It's probably a necessary plot device, regardless of the logic and/or Twitter comments.