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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(January 28, 2012 11:45 AM)
You know what? I hated Dana too and loved Melanie. I guess I have a thing for blondes, though, lol. A shame that Beyond didn't get a real conclusion, just like SSM and TAS
I watched Spidey Unlimited expecting to see something close to Spidey TAS. Big surprise, and not in the right way. It was all wrong. What's Spidey doing going inter-galactic and fighting guys like Sir Ram and Lord Tiger? My God
I'll give Young Justice a go as soon as I finish re-watching Batman Beyond AND TSSM.
I LOVED Justice League. Batman and Green Lantern were my favourites, which were yours? I'm afraid I didn't watch Unlimited consistently so I got lost during the stories. Man all those evenings, watching JL such good memories.
I am from Romania. If you like football, you'll know that your team defeated ours on penalties in 1994, but I was barely born then so no hard feelings from me.
Also, some of my relatives went to Sweden on vacation and they said it was very different but still a great country. Me, I'd love to go to Berlin next summer and maybe someday in Stockholm
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Scrite — 14 years ago(January 28, 2012 03:41 PM)
You know what? I hated Dana too and loved Melanie. I guess I have a thing for blondes, though, lol. A shame that Beyond didn't get a real conclusion, just like SSM and TAS
Someone who loved Melanie, at last! No one ever seem to understand the fact that she was the best female character in that show! It's a shame indeed that it was cancelled after three seasons.
The DCAU team really gave a continuing story a tried for the first time and what did the executive producers do? They told that they would get four seasons only to say "Sorry guy, we changed our mind and you will only get three seasons." after season three was done They did use Justice league Unlimited to repair some of the damage (the episode "Epilogue" in the first season of Unlimited served as an ending for not only Batman Beyond but the whole DCAU.)
I watched Spidey Unlimited expecting to see something close to Spidey TAS. Big surprise, and not in the right way. It was all wrong. What's Spidey doing going inter-galactic and fighting guys like Sir Ram and Lord Tiger? My God
I thought that it would be close to TAS as well From what I have heard later on the idea was to cash in on Batman Beyond by ripping it off. It's needless to say that it didn't work out that well
I need to rewatch TSSM too I have avoided it because I felt that it would be too depressing but just before Christmas a female friend (who is an animation buff like me) more or less forced me to rewatch the first episode as a part "we watch the first episode of several cartoons" and when I watched it for a second time I realized that it might just be the best opening episode ever in a cartoon. I have never seen any pilot introduce so many characters in such a good way. I used to think that the opening episodes of Batman Beyond were the best ones in that area. (They did such a great job introducing Terry - The way he defended the woman on the subway showed that he's brave and that he has it in him to stand up for what's right, the way he punched the guy that spat in his face showed that he has problems with his anger management etc) I did not think that the first couple of episodes were anything special the first time around but now I guess will just have to rewatch the whole cartoon, I would not be the surprised at all if I end up loving it even more the second time around. (I did rewatch single episodes now and then before it got cancelled but I have never re watched the whole thing from 1-26.)
I LOVED Justice League. Batman and Green Lantern were my favourites, which were yours? I'm afraid I didn't watch Unlimited consistently so I got lost during the stories. Man all those evenings, watching JL such good memories.
I can fully recommend you to re watch Justice League Unlimited in the future. It's first season has the best continuity of all the DCAU cartoons so I can really understand that you got lost, whilst all the episodes are stand alone ones they really have an almost perfect continuity (obviously not as perfect as Spectacular Spider-Man but still as near as you can get.)
I am from Romania. If you like football, you'll know that your team defeated ours on penalties in 1994, but I was barely born then so no hard feelings from me.
I can't remember if I watched that game seeing that I was four years old at the time but I'm glad that we don't have to put that between us.
Also, some of my relatives went to Sweden on vacation and they said it was very different but still a great country. Me, I'd love to go to Berlin next summer and maybe someday in Stockholm
I guess we have to take a rain check on that drink then. Was almost about to write that I have been to Berlin but I realized that I haven't I have been to Germany (and it was really nice!) but never to Berlin.
I don't live in Stockholm at the moment but If you get around visiting Stockholm some day give me a notice in time and we should hopefully be able to go out drinking.
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KCJ506 — 14 years ago(January 28, 2012 05:23 PM)
I too grew up with Spider-man TAS. It introduced me to Spidey's world and I still enjoy it, but it was heavily flawed in many areas.
- The constant recycling of footage. It become so obvious that it's cringe worthy sometimes. Especially when you see Spidey or other characters in environments that look nothing like the setting they were just in. For example in the Daredevil team up episode, Spidey fights the Kingpin, and Kingpin throws Spidey across the room. The footage they then use is Spidey landing in front of Doc Ock's reactor in Ock's first episode.
There's also in the second season finale where Spidey is fighting Scorpion, they reused that same shot of Scorpion charging at Spidey about three times and that shot was not only from Scoprion's debut episode, but after he started to mutate into looking like a monster instead of a man in a scorpion costume.(which seems to have been dropped) - The over use of Kingpin. Ok, I get that he's the Kingpin of crime, but that doesn't mean he has to be in nearly every episode and have affiliations with nearly every villain. It really hurt the other villains, especially the likes of Doc Ock, always taking orders from Kingpin. Ock is a leader of men, not a follower. And Norman Osborn would never live in fear of him.
- The over use of Morbius. He got more exposure than the likes of Norman's Green Goblin, Venom, Hobgoblin, Mysterio, Vulture, etc. and I don't think vampires and Spider-Man just feel right together.
- The censorship of the show. Such as Spider-man rarely being able to throw a punch and not being able to use the word "Sinister",. etc. It's ridiculous considering what the other shows got away with.
- Electro being Red Skull's son. Yes I know that he and Sandman were gonna be in James Cameron's Spidey movie(which thankfully never happened), but that's still no reason for them to bastardize Electro.
- Bad writing such as Vulture getting the Spider disease in the second season finale which results in him getting stuck as a Man/Spider/Vulture, but the next time we see him, he's back in his normal self, but now couldn't control changing from old to young and vice-versa.
Despite all of this I do still enjoy the show. Not as much as SSM though. And it still had some things going for it. Animation in episodes like Night Of The Lizard was great. The character designs were good, the voice acting was great(although CDB did overact at times), and there's some real quality episodes in there. Especially from the first three seasons. And I actually like that Black Cat better than the one from SSM. Can't go wrong with Jennifer Hale.
Sick of threads "Megan Fox should play this!"
- The constant recycling of footage. It become so obvious that it's cringe worthy sometimes. Especially when you see Spidey or other characters in environments that look nothing like the setting they were just in. For example in the Daredevil team up episode, Spidey fights the Kingpin, and Kingpin throws Spidey across the room. The footage they then use is Spidey landing in front of Doc Ock's reactor in Ock's first episode.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(January 29, 2012 06:34 AM)
You just did a perfect summary of almost all of the major flaws.
There is just one flaw I would like to add to your list. In the episode "The Lizard King" Spider-Man brings a bomb that will disable all neogenically engineered creature in the vicinity. When the bomb goes off (right next to Spider-Man) The Lizard turns into Dr Connors and his "children" turns into regular lizards again but Spider-Man is somehow unaffected and gets to keep his powers. It's not like the show stated X times that Peter Parker is a neogenically engineered creature or anything
I might also be in a minority here but I would have loved to say James Cameron's Spider-Man film. It would have been like a Uwe Boll film or The Room, namely so bad that it would have been good. The fact that it would have ruined Spider-Man for a whole generation of movie goers would have been a problem though.
As I stated in an above post I enjoy the show as well when I give it it's annual re watch. Mostly for nostalgia reasons but their are a few things that still holds up. Especially the voice acting and the dialogue, I can understand that some people find it cringe worthy but I usually find it hilarious. (Except for the occasions when sentences in the lines of "It's Spider-Man, Destroy him!" breaks the illusion.)
You can never go wrong with Jennifer Hale (does that woman have the sexiest voice ever or what!?) and the Black Cat of Spider-Man TAS was better than the one used in SSM. Although I think they gave her better lines in SSM. I would have loved for Jennifer Hale to reprise her role. Whilst I love MJ (based on the comic book) I think that Peter should have chosen Felicia. It's like they forced MJ on him because of the fact that they were married in the comics.
I have to say that I have been really inspired by all this talk about it. I just might do my annual rewatch early this year. (I usually save it for the fall/winter)
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(January 29, 2012 01:06 AM)
The Dana romance was generic. Melanie was what I liked to see, even Maxine could've been better than Dana. I thought the "Rats" episode was pretty dumb.
Yeah it would be great if we could be face to face and chat a little, especially since you're not that much older and everyone tells me I look older than I really am lol. However I don't think it will be possible for me to go to both Berlin and Stockholm in the summer, we'll see.
KCJ506 summed up our feelings about TAS pretty well I'd say, expect that I don't mind all the mistakes, I still watch the show with the eyes of a child.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(January 29, 2012 06:37 AM)
I would also have preferred him to choose Maxine over Dana. Hell I would have seen him chose anyone over her. She was the among the most generic and boring characters in the entire cartoon.
Yeah it would be great if we could be face to face and chat a little, especially since you're not that much older and everyone tells me I look older than I really am lol. However I don't think it will be possible for me to go to both Berlin and Stockholm in the summer, we'll see.
I can't blame you for that considering today's prices but don't worry I will just leave the offer to go out drinking if you ever come buy Stockholm open.
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(January 30, 2012 02:40 AM)
I Love ABBA and Roxette from Sweden, different styles but both great, even if they don't sing in Swedish lol. I heardd Marie from Roxette has some songs all in Swedish, should I check them out? I am a fan of older music in general.
By the way, what are some traditional Swedish foods? And do you have comic books there? Here I only managed to read ONE Spider-Man story that I got from a rich kid years ago. Thank goodness for the fall of communism. Not saying the Soviets didn't show cartoons but they never would've let us see Spidey or Batman.
I think I hate Dana more with her every appearance, I can't wait till Maxine becomes a more proeminent character later on.
I didn't mean literally drinking as I only drink beer and soft drinks but I'll drink what you want to. I really hope we'll have that meeting someday, our preferences in superheroes are very much alike.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(January 30, 2012 02:36 PM)
I like Roxette and the Swedish songs Marie has done without Per. You should definitely check them out and see if you like them.
Well Swedish food culture has been taken over by pizza, hamburgers, sushi, Thai food, tacos etc just like everywhere else but a very Swedish meal is meatballs with potatoes. We have Swedish comics in regular supermarkets but for you need to go to designated comic book stores for everything else and those stores are quite rare. I buy all my American comics as trade paper backs from online bookstores. I usually let a trade go along when I buy new textbooks for my studies. (I'm a film student working my way to a bachelor degree at the moment.)
Maxine was simply a much better character, it's a shame because Dana could have been interesting if they had made an actual effort. She could be compared to the Gwen Stacy of the 1960's comics, just plain and boring.
I thought you meant it literally but soft drinks is no problems for me. I consider my self a flexible enough person to adjust myself to what others want's to drink. (Going out with real drinkers - I get drunk as well.) Going out with someone who doesn't drink alcohol - I drink coca cola instead.)
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(January 30, 2012 08:22 PM)
Coke is fine. I'll listen to Marie's songs too. I like meatballs and potatoes, but I'll also eat pizza and other stuff, no problem.
I like Roxette better cos they have some really emotional ones, ABBA is fine too, I think I like "The Winner Takes it all" best from ABBA and "It Must HAve been love" from Roxette.
I agree Max was great like the female Robin, sort of also Kevin Conroy was AWESOME even if he wasn't Batman but just Bruce and a lot older.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(January 31, 2012 02:05 PM)
Kevin Conroy is AWESOME! He's will always be the "real" Batman for me.
I can't say that I ate too much Swedish food, I live just a few minutes (by foot) from a great and extremely cheap pizza place as an example so I eat pizza every Friday.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(February 01, 2012 02:49 PM)
I couldn't stand Raimi's version at all. I find it funny and sad at the same time how people would praise Raimi as a god only to start calling him a hack after the release of Spider-Man 3. I loathed the films from the very beginning.
I could probably rant for days but a few of the highlights in my hatred includes:
Raimi did not "get" Peter Parker as a person at all which is clearly shown in his origin. In the 616 universe Peter has a chance to stop a robber and he doesn't. The reason is that all the years of bullying has made him a selfish person who only looks out for himself thinking that he is all alone in the world. That cost him Uncle Ben, the man who had been like a father to him ever since his parents died. I think the most important and overlooked trait when it comes to Peter is guilt. The guilt he feels could probably compare to that of my house god Franz Kafka. Or as Mary Jane summaries it in "Soul of the Hunter" (Awful comic, but it had a few really good scenes.)
Mary Jane: Peter Parker You were born guilty! Kraven may have been your enemy but by god, the man killed himself! And somewhere inside you is a voice saying: "I could have stopped him. I could have saved him."
Peter: No. Never.
Mary Jane: Yes. Always.
That's what's makes you you. That's one of the reasons why I love you. There's a part of you that wants to save the whole world. That want's to take all the suffering out there and magically web it all away.
But it doesn't work that way Peter. And if you don't get some help with this it's going to eat away at you. At us.
Man No one understood Spider-Man like DeMatteis Why did he ever quit the title!?
The film on the other hand gave Peter a chance to stop a robber that robbed a man who just screwed Peter over half a minute before, the fact that Peter did not stop him had nothing to do with selfishness but with him being a human being
And don't even get me started on how the trilogy took a huge dump all over my girl Mary Jane
Aunt May did not help either. "How Spider-Man 3 should have ended" summarised her role in the films perfectly:
Peter: I'm gona ask MJ to merry me.
Aunt May: Oh, this reminds me of a long and boring story of you're uncle Ben and I which will only make you feel miserable and make the wrong decision.
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(February 02, 2012 02:13 AM)
Let's quit talking about Raimi, please. He's in the same league as Spidey Unlimited for me. Even Nick Hammond was more likable and had charisma as Peter Parker than Tobey Maguire.
- Gothamite #4
There's no room for pity in this business, babe.
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(February 02, 2012 09:17 AM)
By the way, did you ever watch the kids' horror-drama-family series Eerie, Indiana in Sweden? Starring Omri Katz and later Jason Marsden. It was pretty good and now it's just how I remembered it. Topbey had a guest appearnce in one of those and I liked him better than his role in Raimi's films.
Raimi was never right for Spidey IMO. he should've stuck to Xena and Evil Dead.- Gothamite #4
There's no room for pity in this business, babe.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(February 02, 2012 12:14 PM)
No I'm afraid I haven't watched that. The popular "foreign" series in Sweden were all for some reason Australian.
Raimi should definitely have stuck with Evil Dead, I wouldn't dislike him today if he had done that and he wouldn't have ruined Spider-Man for a whole generation of kids. (The worst part is that Spectacular Spider-Man used his crap for Peter's background. I'm sure that it was the executive producers at Sony who forced it on the story editor but it's just as bad anyways)
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(February 02, 2012 08:10 PM)
They shouldn't have copied Alfred Molina's Doc Ock look to a tee in TSSM, I liked Efrem Zimbalist, Jr better, even with the armor he had the classic haircut and goggles.
If you ever have the time and like comedy-horror-kids shows, you should give Eerie, Indiana a closer look. Like I said before it's not just about nostalgia in my case, the show holds up well.
When I heard that Sam Raimi directed Spider-Man I was like "What??? the guy with the evil dead and Joxer from Xena??" I wonder why did he get the job anyway, no disrespect to him or his work.- Gothamite #4
There's no room for pity in this business, babe.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(February 03, 2012 04:04 PM)
Efram Zimbalist Jr was the real Doc Ock. I guess Alfred Molina worked in a live action movie but it was a mistake to copy him to a cartoon. (People really need to learn the fact that things that work in one story telling medium doesn't necessarily have to work in the others.)
I'll keep them name of Eerie, Indiana in mind for later. I'm watching Avatar: The Last Airbender right now but I'm always looking for more shows with that episode length. (I might haven mentioned it in an above post but If I didn't) I start every morning with drinking a cup of hot chocolate and watching an episode from an usually) animated series. That's how I got through the whole DCAU one episode at a time, one cartoon at a time. (It's actually a really fascinating way to watch, before I started doing it I would usually just watch X episode here and Y episodes there.)
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(February 03, 2012 07:19 PM)
I'm currently going to school, playing various games, writing, reading and watching Batman beyond. Not all at the same time of course.
. Like I said I'll go for TSSM and then maybe Young Justice.
I've noticed the difference in quality between seaons 1 and 2 in BB almost immediately, but it's still good.- Gothamite #4
There's no room for pity in this business, babe.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(February 06, 2012 05:26 AM)
I remember when I went to school every day I'm glad that's over.
I'm having lectures twice a week at most these days, I have probably forgotten what it's like to be in school from 8 to 15:30 five days a week.
Batman Beyond season 1 is sure better than season two. My favorite episode of season two is without doubt Once Burned since Melanie returns, another episode I really liked was Zeta. (I'm a huge fan of robot philosophy.)
When the choice is between a American and a Russian film, always choose the latter.