2/2/2014
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Phaenon — 2 years ago(February 03, 2024 02:47 PM)
Don't get me wrong, I love Ralph Fiennes but Tom Noonan really captured the essence of The Tooth Fairy and William Petersen schools Edward Norton (Who I love!) on being Will Graham.
Manhunter was just a much richer movie overall and was really engaging in ways that Red Dragon wasn't
With the exception of Lounds all of the characters fell flat.
And Lounds gets to be burned as I hate that goddamned talented actor that plays him!
Ding Dong
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ToastedCheese — 2 years ago(February 04, 2024 09:12 AM)
Noonan in Manhunter terrified me and Peterson seemed to understand his Will character better.
Red Dragon tried to sell itself on Hopkins and went for more graphic scenes. It was by the numbers direction to me. Manhunter was more thoughtful with a skilled less is more approach.
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Phaenon — 2 years ago(February 04, 2024 11:29 AM)
I think the impossible question Toast is "If Manhunter had never existed, would Red Dragon have been a good movie on it's own merit?".
And we'll never know because there will always be a comparison
Ding Dong
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ToastedCheese — 2 years ago(February 04, 2024 01:36 PM)
Interesting question, yet even without Manhunter point of reference, Red Dragon and Hannibal would still be compared to Silence Of The Lambs.
I go by film-making sense of aesthetic and impact/impression. Those that haven’t seen Manhunter would give a different perspective into Red Dragon.
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Phaenon — 2 years ago(February 04, 2024 02:19 PM)
Again, as mentioned above the only scene that stands out (To us at least) is Philip Hoffman getting torched
I would be interested in seeing what someone who appreciates cinema thinks of Red Dragon and Man Hunter if they saw them in that order (And with some time between to enjoy each separately).
Ding Dong
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TaraDeS — 2 years ago(February 05, 2024 07:21 AM)
by ToastedCheese February 04, 2024 03:48 PM
Member since December 21, 2017
Might be interesting to start a topic on Red Dragon threads.
Legends never die!
https://moviechat.org/nm0000450/Philip-Seymour-Hoffman/65bdcdaa1033b2106295f482/gone-ten-years-ago-today
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Phaenon — 2 years ago(February 05, 2024 12:11 PM)
TaraDeS said...
by ToastedCheese February 04, 2024 03:48 PM
Member since December 21, 2017
Might be interesting to start a topic on Red Dragon threads.
Legends never die!
https://moviechat.org/nm0000450/Philip-Seymour-Hoffman/65bdcdaa1033b2106295f482/gone-ten-years-ago-today
OP hownos
expand
Are you suggesting that Toast may be "felcting through a gloryhole McMurray
Re: He died 10 years ago today" Tara?
Ding Dong
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TaraDeS — 2 years ago(February 07, 2024 04:53 AM)
Phaenon said...
Are you suggesting that Toast may be "felcting through a gloryhole McMurray
Re: He died 10 years ago today" Tara?
by Juan Kerr February 05, 2024 01:11 PM
Member since September 10, 2018
Are you suggesting that Toast may be "felcting through a gloryhole McMurray
Re: He died 10 years ago today" Tara?
Click on the link in my reply above and ask again, Juanita.
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/. — 2 years ago(February 07, 2024 05:23 AM)
TaraDeS said...
by Juan Kerr February 05, 2024 01:11 PM
Member since September 10, 2018
Are you suggesting that Toast may be "felcting through a gloryhole McMurray
Re: He died 10 years ago today" Tara?
Click on the link in my reply above and ask again, Juanita.
What are you getting at ding dong?
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Phaenon — 2 years ago(February 07, 2024 11:22 AM)
TaraDeS said...
by Juan Kerr February 05, 2024 01:11 PM
Member since September 10, 2018
Are you suggesting that Toast may be "felcting through a gloryhole McMurray
Re: He died 10 years ago today" Tara?
Click on the link in my reply above and ask again, Juanita.
I take it you think MovieMania is "felcting through a gloryhole McMurray" Tara?
There is a match-up between the two forums
Ding Dong
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WarrenPeace — 2 years ago(February 05, 2024 07:34 AM)
He didn't do comedies or really any fun roles which is why I didn't care for him.
And I so agree with you guys.
Red Dragon is overrated while the far superior Manhunter is underrated.
Hopkins overacts in his role of Handball Lickedher while Brian Cox played it subtle which was perfect and how it should be.
The ending was also better.
No need to stretch it out and have Toothie show up at the house threatening the son.
@ToastedCheese
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ToastedCheese — 2 years ago(February 05, 2024 10:20 AM)
I haven't read any of Harris's novels. Do you know if the
Red Dragon
ending in the film is lifted from the novel and
Manhunter
changed the ending to the stakeout/shootout one they filmed?
I like the randomness of the
Manhunter
ending. It was still fraught with danger and Will needed to get his man before he got to the blind girl.
Red Dragon
was a prequel and Hopkins looked too old. Cox played his small Lecter role with subtle intensity and creepiness that underscored just how terrifying Toothie was.
Norman! What did you put in my tea?