I'm a registered independent, but typically vote for Democrats. However, I disagree with them very strongly on the issue
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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(June 02, 2025 03:39 PM)
America isn't other countries, though. The entire European continent is smaller than Texas, and has a significantly lower population density. It simply isn't something that can be done and would likely lead to open civil unrest.
Edit: The Texas thing is incorrect. I'll own up to not double-checking a dubious source for that.
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WarrenPeace — 10 months ago(June 02, 2025 07:34 PM)
Right, we are not other countries which is why it’s an asinine argument pro gun nut idiots make when they bring up oppressive dictators who mass slaughtered their own such as Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot etc.
It’s not because the population wasn’t armed.
Hitler took over and beat the militaries of other countries.
It’s because they had governments that were unstable, unlike ours, where we have a system in place to prevent that from happening.
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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(June 02, 2025 08:10 PM)
My reasoning is more practical than political. It's simply not feasible in wide swaths of the country to rely on law enforcement. I once lived in a place that had less 13,000 people in the entire county, most of them spread out on unpaved back roads that are impassable in the winter and not in great condition at any time. The sheriff's department had three part-time employees and, unless called, they largely stayed in the county seat (around 1,700 people). Crime wasn't unheard of, though. When I lived there, drugs were a huge problem. So in an area like that if the person invading your home is armed and you are not, the police are simply showing up to collect your dead body every single time.
And that county isn't particularly special. It was the least populated in my state, but there are plenty of areas out west that are even more sparsely populated. There's one county in Texas that has a population of 64 people spread out over almost 700 square miles. It would be foolish for them to rely solely on law enforcement in a time of crisis and very impractical to enforce any type of gun ban.
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WarrenPeace — 10 months ago(June 02, 2025 08:51 PM)
I get it.
You’re a typical coward who feels like he needs a gun when you probably really don’t.
Just keep your doors and windows locked even when you are home and you’ll be fine.
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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(June 03, 2025 02:12 AM)
Great question! I do think that something similar to Canada's gun laws would ultimately be the ideal, but I don't think that the U.S. is ready for that at present and ultimately may never be.
In many ways, the U.S. is unique in it's idolization of those who take arms against the forces who govern them, be it the Founding Fathers or the Confederate army (who are, unfortunately, still lionized by many, even far outside of the south). This has manifested itself many times throughout our history, extending from Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion of the 18th century through to more modern events like Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the Bundy standoff. Such insurrectionists are often considered folk heroes by many on the right.
Now, it goes without saying that these people are as mad as a hatter, but they are also heavily armed and ready to resist any attempt at gun confiscation. Hell, their militia groups have been preparing for just that scenario for decades.
So given the current political realities, my view is that the worst thing the left in the U.S. could do is loudly proclaim that we are opposed to guns, don't own any ourselves and will not, under any circumstances, be putting up any resistance. Instead, I would support groups like the Pink Pistols (who train members of the LGBTQ+ community in firearms safety and capability) or the Socialist Rifle Association to help foster the perception - real or not - that left-wing gatherings are not an easy target for any psychopath with a gun.
Lastly, the U.S. has an asinine electoral college system. While a majority of Americans do indeed support stricter gun laws, that isn't the case in swing states and, for rural voters in those states in particular, it's often their single biggest issue (anectdotally, I've talked to many people who "would be Democrats if it wasn't for guns"). I'm of the belief that the Democratic Party's persistence in talking about this issue is holding us back from implementing a ton of other great policies which would ultimately make Americans happier, healthier and perhaps even more prepared to have this conversation.
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Corwin — 10 months ago(June 03, 2025 02:17 AM)
Ultimately, I believe that the US firearms regime has nothing to do with population density (Canada, Australia, Greenland and other sparsely populated places put that theory to bed, sorry) and everything to do with political institutions and culture.
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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(June 03, 2025 02:30 AM)
I would agree with that. The talk of population density was to explain my own reasoning for buying a gun when I lived in a particularly rural area. (For the record, it's a single-shot .410 and I fire it maybe once every couple of years to make sure it's still in working order. This isn't a particularly important issue for me.) But, sure, I probably wouldn't have had those fears if the cultural and political issues didn't exist. Unfortunately they do and I felt it best to prepare for the worst.
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Corwin — 10 months ago(June 03, 2025 02:43 AM)
People in rural parts of Canada also have guns – usually for hunting though and for protection from bears, coyotes etc. The four-legged beasts as opposed to the two-legged ones.
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WarrenPeace — 10 months ago(June 02, 2025 03:31 PM)
Good luck at getting anyone from one side or the other admitting any flaws from their team.
Those staunch supporters from one side or the other are so stubbornly blinded by their bias.
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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(June 02, 2025 03:42 PM)
Yes, it is frustrating to see (establishment) Democrats becoming more and more cult like. It's proof that Trump isn't an anomaly and that both sides are susceptible to these types of tactics.
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AnthonySocksss — 10 months ago(June 02, 2025 08:24 PM)
Democrats don’t have an issue with gun rights. Gun control is enshrined in the second amendment
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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(June 02, 2025 08:30 PM)
I'm not a fan of the Second Amendment. It ensures gun rights merely for "a well regulated militia," which it deems "necessary to the security of a free state." Whereas I favor individual gun rights as a measure of self-protection and, as a side effect, as a check against government tyranny.
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