How About a "Reverse" Final Countdown?
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 05:01 AM)
Ad hominems without any evidence is worthless. Its pathetic you even try it.
I have made no statement with which you can use as a base for a claim that I could care less about sea mammals.
I have made no statement for which you can lay base to a claim that I have no conscience.
You however have repeatedly made utterly nonsensical statements which calls your intelligence into direct question.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 07:55 AM)
Ad hominems without any evidence is worthless. Its pathetic you even try it.
Which is exactly what you're guilty of doing, so your post subject is self descriptive. lol Or do I need to copy and post your ad hominems?
I could care less about sea mammals
Then prove that you care and what you plan to do about it. Which is zip, I'll wager.
I have no conscience
So all your ad hominems are a product of compassion? lol geezthis is too easy.
have repeatedly made utterly nonsensical statements- You admitted sonar kills sea mammals.
- You admitted HAARP is communications, which is audio. The auditory pain creates stress, panic and disorientation to the nervous system. The mammals beach themselves and fry in the sun. Pretty easy to figure out.
So here is your ad hominem response: 'Oh that could never happen!!! You're a fraking idiot!!!'
I think we're making progress sailor.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 09:05 AM)
Then prove that you care and what you plan to do about it. Which is zip, I'll wager.
I dont have to prove I care.
You made the claim (without evidence) that I don't.
YOU have to prove your claim true.
I do not have to prove your claim false.
Kurt-2000 is a child raping pedophile.
Prove you're not.
I made the claim you are, so prove that you are not.
Now I don't belive you are. At least I have no reason to think its true, nor am I actually making the claim, just making a point.
In the case above. You can deny the claim. But there is no way to PROVE the claim false. At best all that can be done is fail to find proof it's true. But absense of proof, is not proof of absence.
You made two accusations against my character with no evidence whatsoever.
They are utterly false but I do not have to prove the accusation false. YOU have to prove them true. Your accusation without evidence is a prime example of a fallacious ad hominem.
My calling you an idiot and a moron however. is with evidence. Evidence by your own ignorant and factually untrue statements. YOU provide the proof that you are in fact an idiot. Thus it is not "name-calling".
It may be rude and impolite. But I have no reason to be polite to an asshat that tells lies, is ignorant, willfully ignorant of basic facts, And keeps insulting my character.- You admitted sonar kills sea mammals.
And? We're not talking about sonar. I am trying to get to your false claim concerning HAARP, which is NOT sonar. - You admitted HAARP is communications, which is audio. The auditory pain creates stress, panic and disorientation to the nervous system. The mammals beach themselves and fry in the sun. Pretty easy to figure out.
RADIO WAVES INTO THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE YOU DOLT! NOT ACOUSTICAL SOUND INTO OCEAN WATER!
WHEN WILL YOU GET THAT BASIC FACT THROUGH YOUR THICK FRAKING SKULL!?
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
- You admitted sonar kills sea mammals.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 10:32 AM)
I dont have to prove I care.
Ohwell then I guess that's how a sailor gets himself off the hook on that topic. lol Predictable cop out.
I can't think of anyone I've met who served in the Navy that expressed any care or interest in sea life. They refer to the mammals the same way Midwesterners refer to insects. It's almost inherent to the occupation. Kind of like the: 'oopps friendly fire accident - too bad'.
You made two accusations against my character
You're certainly a character. And nowlets get to the name calling segment of the discussion.
My calling you an idiot and a moron however. Thus it is not "name-calling".
Nothing contradictory in that paragraph. lol geez
NOT ACOUSTICAL SOUND INTO OCEAN WATER
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 10:54 AM)
Others would disagree with you
Yeah total idiots.
Do you even know what HAARP stands for? I doubt it because you initially referred to it several times as HARP.
HAARP: The
H
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Let me direct your limited attention to the second A, the one you left out.
Auroral
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As in, pertaining to auroras or Northern Lights.
Its purpose was to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance. The HAARP program operated a major sub-arctic facility, named the HAARP Research Station, on an Air Force-owned site near Gakona, Alaska.
The most prominent instrument at the HAARP Station is the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), a high-power radio frequency transmitter facility operating in the high frequency (HF) band. The IRI is used to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere. Other instruments, such as a VHF and a UHF radar, a fluxgate magnetometer, a digisonde (an ionospheric sounding device), and an induction magnetometer, were used to study the physical processes that occur in the excited region.
No Acoustical instruments, no sound. No oceanic instruments. Gakona Alaska and the HAARP facility is located far inland, not on the coast.
HAARP itself has not been operating since May of 2013, and permanently closed since August 2015.
HAARP was a target of conspiracy theorists, who claimed that it was capable of modifying weather, disabling satellites and exerting mind control over people, and that it was being used as a weapon against terrorists. Such theorists blamed the program for causing earthquakes, droughts, storms and floods, diseases such as Gulf War syndrome and chronic fatigue syndrome, the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800, and the 2003 destruction of the space shuttle Columbia. Commentators and scientists say that proponents of these theories are "uninformed", because most theories put forward fall well outside the abilities of the facility and often outside the scope of natural science.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 10:18 PM)
HAARP: The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
That was the description the program was hidden under, only with the understanding that the Navy was willing to share with the public when responding to public and press inquiry. For the most part, the Navy has offered next to nothing in providing information on this technology. The underwater aspect of this research was never discussed with the public. Leaks from former staff did shed some light to justify public concern.
No Acoustical instruments, no sound. No oceanic instruments.
What the Navy wants you to believe.
Gakona Alaska and the HAARP facility is located far inland, not on the coast.
That's one facility location the Navy allows the public to know about.
Your insecurity problems regarding this matter is truly bizarre. What are you afraid of? The Navy is in no danger of losing this project or any of their other highly classified research programs. They've got the Congress giving them anything they want. A very sweet arrangement for your (former?) employer. And we continue to count the dead sea mammals washed up on the shore.
But I shouldn't be an ingrate here. You did confess the impact of sonar on sea mammals, so I should be grateful for that much honesty. Other Navy guys wouldn't have even gone that far.
HAARP itself has not been operating since May of 2013, and permanently closed since August 2015.
Yeah, and there's nothing going on at Area 51 either. And there aren't any other classified facilities in the U.S. either, or no-fly zones. SureI get it. Just shut people down when questions are asked. That is the classic military tactic. -
CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 11:44 PM)
That was the description the program was hidden under
What the Navy wants you to believe.
ROFLMAO
and you attacked me saying I am not privy ro secret programs yet you and your conspiracy nujob morons seem to claim to know everying about supposedly hidden and secret orogram that are made up in your imagination.
Tell me just how the hell do you think you know something that's hidden and covered up.?
Fraking morons, I swear.
But I shouldn't be an ingrate here. You did confess the impact of sonar on sea mammals, so I should be grateful for that much honesty. Other Navy guys wouldn't have even gone that far.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 11, 2016 03:09 AM)
Tell me just how the hell do you think you know something that's hidden and covered up.?
Fortunately not all insiders are loyal to cover-ups. Extremely bad classified projects have already been exposed in American military history.
Fraking morons, I swear.
According to your many board comments directed at various people, that would include anyone who dares to disagree with the sailor. You're "fraking" consistent in that pattern behavior. -
CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 11, 2016 03:19 AM)
Fortunately not all insiders are loyal to cover-ups.
Those insiders are not insiders. They're kooks, cooking up a bs story which other morons swallow hook line and sinker because it fits what they want to believe.
Jackasses like Bob Lazar, who claims to have worked at Area 51 on reverse engineering alien spacecraft. are really nothing but deluded idiots, Lazar having done nothing more than took an electronics course at a junior college.
His stories are fiction.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 11, 2016 12:07 PM)
Those insiders are not insiders. They're kooks, cooking up a bs story which other morons swallow hook line and sinker because it fits what they want to believe.
lol Now you're claiming to know these people. No surprise there.
Jackasses like Bob Lazar
Interesting how that guy what brought up, when I made no reference to him. Back to your "alien" interests again.
No one believed Lazar, you dope. That story was put to rest in the '80's. Even the U.F.O. buffs rejected his claims.
Area 51 on reverse engineering alien spacecraft
Is that what inspired you to watch this lame film? Seems to be a favorite of yours since you're fighting with people on every thread.
Take your meds sailor.
Since you're so fascinated with Area 51 and in denial over environmental damage, I now recall the infamous lawsuit DoD fought against when Area 51 grunts were ordered to burn toxic waste in pits, and suffered fatal respiratory damage that was irreversible. Another Defense department scandal. -
CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 11, 2016 08:58 PM)
There are numerous examples of federal facilities that are kept secret and even have no-fly zones overhead.
Of course there are. But that proves NOTHING about what we are disagreeing about, Does it.
And a slight correction, Not kept secret. Simply restricted in access. the facilities are known, not secret. You're just not allowed to go there.
The Area 51 facility is the notable exception where the secrecy is so over the top that it's very existence is officially denied (until recently).
It is that very level of secrecy that spurred on morons to imagine all sorts of fanciful and ignorant conspiracy theories surrounding it.
But it proves nothing.
There are no-fly zones for many reasons. And they are not called No-fly zones. it is "restricted Airspace".
There is restricted airspace over the capitol, around the Cape Canaveral Launch Site for NASA, And many many military sites have restricted airspace for all manner of reasons.
None of which prove, or in any way gives credence to any of your conspiracy beep
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 03:19 AM)
And a slight correction, Not kept secret. Simply restricted in access. the facilities are known, not secret. You're just not allowed to go there.
Area 51 is not the only federal facility the public doesn't know about. There are others.
It is that very level of secrecy that spurred on morons to imagine all sorts of fanciful and ignorant conspiracy theories surrounding it.
But it proves nothing.
There is a question as to what goes on in federal facilities when there's a small amount of civilian oversight. The workers at Area 51 that lost their lives from burning pits weren't going to get any assistance, before the lawsuit.
And they are not called No-fly zones. it is "restricted Airspace".
From the civilian perspective, they are: 'You're in deep trouble if you go near near that airspace'. That comes across as very "no-fly" from the civilian perspective.
There is restricted airspace over the capitol, around the Cape Canaveral Launch Site for NASA
Those are understandable restrictions since we know what goes on in those places and people like me agree with the reasons. Highly classified facilities with no explanation bring into question if even presidents know what's going on. The George H.W. Bush administration might have been the last administration to be given accurate explanations. Cheney as well under "W"s administration. There is some question as to whether Democratic party presidents where left out of the loop when it comes to classified information. -
CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 04:09 AM)
Area 51 is not the only federal facility the public doesn't know about. There are others.
You see? THAT right there is the conspiracy mentality.
If the public does not know about them, Then how do YOU know they exist?
FACT You Don't. You just claim it to be true with no facts or evidence.
There is some question as to whether Democratic party presidents where left out of the loop when it comes to classified information.
If Hillary wins the next election She BETTER BE LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP, or all Our secrets for national Defense will just be posted publicly for all to see.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 10:03 AM)
If the public does not know about them, Then how do YOU know they exist?
Some time ago, Popular Mechanics did a really great story on all federal facilities civilians can't get near in America. They pinpointed a number of locations that are off limits and the military won't comment on. Where is the civilian oversight for these facilities? Are presidents and most members of Congress briefed? We don't even know that.
FACT You Don't. You just claim it to be true with no facts or evidence.
You tell me the facts when most of these facilities aren't even claimed to be Navy facilities. You don't know either. How do we know what's going on there? It could be anything. You might not have an interest, but there are millions of Americans that do. That doesn't make me or other crazy for wanting to know. I support accountability even if you don't, so continue the name calling. I don't care.
If Hillary wins the next election She BETTER BE LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP, or all Our secrets for national Defense will just be posted publicly for all to see.
You and I sharply disagree on that, and I don't even like Hillary. Hillary will be DoD's best lap dog ever. Former 'Goldwater Girl' to the bitter end.
But my candidate who lost, Bernie Sanders, would have blown the whistle. So you're safe sailor. You should be happy.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 11, 2016 12:03 AM)
Your insecurity problems regarding this matter is truly bizarre. What are you afraid of? The Navy is in no danger of losing this project or any of their other highly classified research programs. They've got the Congress giving them anything they want. A very sweet arrangement for your (former?) employer. And we continue to count the dead sea mammals washed up on the shore.
There is no insecurity on my part. That is a false assertion on your part. And trust me Congress is FAR from giving us everthing we need much less everything we want. Cutbacks and downsizing is the order of the day and we are very hard pressed to perform the missions required of us with dwindling assets and manpower.
Lately we have taken to canibalizing museum aircraft to keep current aircraft flying. And you think Congress gives us everything we want LOL in your dreams.
And there is nothing bizarre about my reactions. I am countering ignorance with facts.
But I shouldn't be an ingrate here. You did confess the impact of sonar on sea mammals, so I should be grateful for that much honesty. Other Navy guys wouldn't have even gone that far.
Dont even try to falsely insinuate that I confessed and agreed to your bullsh!t assertions and claims.
I.
Do.
Not.
Any and every one in the Navy agrees and will admit to the known fact that Active Sonar (Not passive Sonar) can harm and even kill nearby animals in the water.
Even a human.
When a sonar pulse goes out, it is so powerful that water around the dome itself actually boils. It can stun and even kill anything nearby.
But this is for animals NEARBY within a few hundred yards.
What the Navy and including myself refuses to admit to because there is nor concrete evidence of it, only anecdootal claims is that unrelated whale and dolphin beachings are a reault of sonar use.
It is possible there may be a connection. but so far there has been no evidence found of it.
You wrongly take my statement of one thing, and misconstrue it as an admittance of something you are claiming. It is not.
Yeah, and there's nothing going on at Area 51 either. And there aren't any other classified facilities in the U.S. either, or no-fly zones. SureI get it. Just shut people down when questions are asked. That is the classic military tactic.
There is plenty going on at Area 51.
High tech and classified Aeronautical research into advanced aircraft.
Its where our steath aircraft and drones are being developed. Historically it is where programs like the SR-71, A-12 Oxcart, B-2 Spirit, U-2, F-117, etc.. were developed.
But if you are referring to alien spacecraft
again, You are a moron.
There are plenty of classified facilities all over the US.
I've gone to school at a couple of them.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 11, 2016 03:23 AM)
There is no insecurity on my part. And trust me
LOL No thank you.
And you think Congress gives us everything we want LOL in your dreams.
Defense News from last year:
"WASHINGTON The US Congress overwhelmingly passed, and President Obama signed, the $1.15 trillion omnibus spending measure that contained $572.7 billion for defense in a succession of votes in the House and Senate on Friday."
And you suggest that's not enough. More increases for next year as well.
wow
Any and every one in the Navy agrees and will admit to the known fact that Active Sonar (Not passive Sonar) can harm and even kill nearby animals in the water.
Againglad to see the confession.
There is plenty going on at Area 51.
Againthe point being for slow learning sailors, DoD only recently confessed that this facility even exists. Many other covert military facilities exist as well. Not to mention the decommissioned facilities that were exposed in the last 50 years.
But if you are referring to alien spacecraft
again, You are a moron.
Copy and post were I typed "aliens". We were discussing classified base facilities.
It's not like sailors have any interest in the Navy confronting paranormal anomalies.
Multi-dimensional vortex anyone?
There are plenty of classified facilities all over the US.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:50 AM)
Answer me this
What EXACTLY is HAARP?
And just HOW is it killing sea animals?
By what mechanism, what scientific principle is it killing?
I really want to know what you think it is.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!