Problems/Issues I have with this film 28 years later.
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tchr88 — 13 years ago(July 27, 2012 10:03 AM)
My interpretation is that this movie was an exaggeration of the teen angst of the time. I guess the movie seems a little outdated nowadays, just like "American Graffiti" was outdated in 1985.
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maixiu — 11 years ago(November 08, 2014 12:26 PM)
It wasn't sending out any "messages", you uptight killjoys. Why is it so difficult for people to grasp what this movie was about? It wasn't made in the PC-soaked climate of today. Although such restrictions on humor/thought/speech were already a gathering storm on the horizon in 1984, it was still possible to make a movie where sh-t just happened and nobody got uptight about it. You either watched it and enjoyed it, watched it and didn't enjoy it, or ignored it altogether. Whichever of these options you chose, you moved on and didn't get your panties in a twist about some g-ddamn message that wasn't there to begin with.
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EmmaPopell — 11 years ago(January 21, 2015 02:54 PM)
Amen, maixiu. These over-analyzations of old movies by newer Humans are amusing. I still love alot of movies made before everyone got so butt-hurt over slurs about this or thatJeeez~~ This OP is a perfect example of someone dissecting a film that does not need to be examined any further.
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ohsorry — 13 years ago(August 14, 2012 02:57 PM)
This has always been my favorite movie, and as I get older, I just let the Jake beep slide.
I will say though I always thought that the Geek and Caroline didn't actually have sex, they both just thought they did because they were wasted. They wake up with all of their clothes on. -
JohnQ1127 — 13 years ago(August 22, 2012 07:45 AM)
The Geek and Prom Queen have sex at the end of the movie. He, essentially rapes the prom queen at the end of movie and it's summed up as "Rape is Love". The whole "Rape is Love" was disturbingly though somewhat popular theme in a lot of those 70's-80's teen movies.
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laeyisoracle — 13 years ago(September 20, 2012 09:14 PM)
The Geek and Prom Queen have sex at the end of the movie. He, essentially rapes the prom queen at the end of movie and it's summed up as "Rape is Love". The whole "Rape is Love" was disturbingly though somewhat popular theme in a lot of those 70's-80's teen movies.
But, did they REALLY have sex, or is it just "implied" they could've? I ask that because, given the moment, I think Farmer Ted would've flaked out before he actually got himself some. Add on to that the fact that, despite some of them being played by way older actors/actresses(Haviland Morris was considerably older than a teen), if we think about the whole teen angle(and this really hasn't changed throughout the years), teens always put up that BS front. They always lie about things they say they've done to make themselves look cooler than they actually are. Even now, 2012, teens really haven't changed THAT much regarding that. Kids always BS, they did back in the 80s, they'll BS decades from now. -
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LukeLovesFilm28 — 11 years ago(September 20, 2014 12:22 AM)
Wait a minute. If they're both drunk, if he's underage and she's actually 18, you morons actually consider it rape?? Jesus. That's not saying much for women.
So, basically, never have sex when you're both drunk?? Jesus. A lot of people should be thrown in prison. -
jbaker1-2 — 4 years ago(June 17, 2021 06:28 AM)
Ted and Caroline thought that something might have possibly happened but it's unlikely anything did. If you were too drunk to remember doing it, you were too drunk to do it.
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Nikkirose0306 — 13 years ago(August 24, 2012 02:49 PM)
Don't forget how Jake picks up her note at the beginning and takes it rather than pointing out she dropped it. He is basically a creep. I think they picked a very good looking actor on purpose because the audience would not like Jake if he were played by an average looking guy.
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laeyisoracle — 13 years ago(September 20, 2012 09:24 PM)
4-Jake the romantic hero? Jake tells the geek referring to Caroline, "I could violate her 10 different ways if I wanted to" WTF?? Wow, what a romantic guy. He's the hero? He gives his inebriated girl-friend to a total stranger and implies that he can have sex with her as long as he gets her home?
Jake Ryan was a typical douche. I know girls used to swoon over him, but he really came across as a douche, plain and simple. That leads me to
15-Shallow Sam. Why does she love Jake? Because he's cute and rich? That seems rather shallow. And what if he gets "bored" with her as well? What happens if she gets drunk at a party? Will Jake "violate" 10 different ways?
Sadly enough, in reality, there are a lot of girls dazzled by sheer douchery. Really, this isn't limited to the 80s. What's popular now? Twilight? Idiot teenage girl becoming overly infatuated by a douchbag vampire? Almost similar in concept, and girls, nowadays, eat that crap up.
5-Long Duck Dong. This has to be one of the most racist characters in film during the last 50 odd years. His character is like some cartoon version of an Asian person from the 1940's. I guess he's supposed to Chinese but his name is Vietnamese and there's a point in the film when he's in a tree wearing a Japanese samurai outfit yelling Banzai?? Also not to mention they give him a name that's the sounds like a large duck's penis in English.
He was actually supposed to be Korean(Korean exchange student), but Gedde Watanabe is Japanese, so basically you had a Japanese American actor portraying what he thought a Korean would sound like(which still came off like Japanese stereotype, LOL).
7-The Rizchecks- The "Oily Beau-hunk" is Italian so of coarse in this film that means that his father is involved in organized crime/mafia.
Again, really strange stereotype portrayals. Rizcheck is not an Italian surname. Pretty Eastern European in origin. -
JohnQ1127 — 13 years ago(September 29, 2012 09:00 AM)
Yeah, "Rizcheck" was a strange one but I guess they didn't want to be too overtly stereotypical and call them the Gambinis or Rosellinis or something like that. Anyway it was still a negative stereotype of an Italian family.
I read somewhere that "Long Duck Dong" is a Vietnamese name but basically the character is an amalgam of various Asian stereotypes from the 1930's-1950's. It's really shocking to see that type of character portrayed in a film from 1984.
I think the thing that most disturbs me now is the casual way they basically talk about raping the prom queen. And then the Geek actually rapes her and in 1980's type movies this was a weird "rape is love" trope.
Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't. 